mirrodie
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For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 1:32 am

I have seen the photos and even a few videos of the enjoyment of watching planes at TNCM/SXM/ St. Maarten.

It looks like heaven to us, but I still have a question. How safe is it? I can only imagine it being horrible. Pitting of the skin and foreign bodies in the eyes...Sand and rocks pelting you as a 747 starts up on the runway...

I would love to go at some point. But has anyone personally been there and experienced this? I saw a video of people at the fence behind a AF 747 spooling up and people were being thrown into the water! Looks fun, but then again, maybe not.

I appreciate your views.
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 1:34 am

If you have ever seen Pushing Tin when the guy gets hit by wake turbulence, that it what it is like. I stood behind a taxiing Alaska 734 in Gustavus and I got thrown back 10 feet.
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:51 am

But were you hurt at all? Isn't that a bit dangerous? I guess since it was only taxiing and not full blast, it wasn't too bad?????

BTW, your posts on the Delta sites...too funny.
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:00 pm

I saw the AF movie. It doesn’t look like the people have any control when they were pushed into the sea. Don’t forget, the thrust temperature should be very very high. It could be very dangerous.
On the other hand, if I ever be there, I will do the same thing  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:14 pm

Where can I download the video? (You mentioned to have seen some.)
Thanks
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:20 pm

I´ve been there but noone did anything like that. However it is very impressive to stand on the beach while a 747 passes right over your head. They are so near to you and the noice is amazing! Go there if you ever get the chance.... and the water is just wonderful!!

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:34 pm

I have been to SXM three times - each year a highlight is spending time at the Sunset Beach Bar watching the planes land over the beach.

The first year we were there we got caught behind a AOM DC-10 taking off - it was brutal - the sand off the beach stings and gets imbedded into your skin...not to mention the small rocks, jet blast etc.

After that, I have chosen to never stand behind any of the jets taking off. Last February some people got behind a 747 (I think it was AF) and one of them had their bathing suit blown off...

Reports on a St. Martin webforum also talks about a car being blown over a few years ago - that is why there are now parking restrictions directly behind the runway. Recently the TV program Ripley's Believe It or Not did a piece on the SXM airport experience - it supposedly shows people being blown into the water.

Bottom line - it is a thrill but very dangerous. Better to be sipping a rum punch on the deck in front as the daily 747 lands from CDG! Or, standing right on the beach as it lands over you - it is probably about as close as you can get to a landing aircraft of the sizes of 747s, 777s, MD-11s etc.
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 1:20 am

Thanks for confirming my thoughts.

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 1:26 am

Can anyone critique the Just Planes video of the St. Maarten's airport? I'd like to hear from someone before I buy it.
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 1:30 am

You know, I have been thinking the same. I've been sitting on the fence on whether or not to get it.

One person did comment on it a while back and said they liked it. I hope to hear more though.
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 2:09 am

Anyone tried MBJ - Montego Bay?, that is great too, all that separates you between the footpath along the beach and the runway is a waist high coil of barbed wire.

My mother almost had the top half of her bikini blown off towards Cuba almost by an ATA L-1011.

You get some brilliant shots of aircraft taxying for take off from the North-Easterly runway, the landing views are pretty spectacular too!
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 6:59 am

Never stood in the approach path, but from the sea it is spectacular! The photos do it justice, it's definately impressive-
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 7:18 am

NG737PSR: Yes you are correct MBJ can be fun and pretty wild sometimes. I've lost many a cap shooting their A310s as they pass overhead... I'm sure it's not as wild as SXM but nice anyway.
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 7:51 am

i got knocked straight back onto my butt from jet blasts from a S80, and i weigh 200 lbs! i bet its pretty sweet when the planes take off towards maho beach and land the other way? anyone experience the take offs at SXM on the beach?
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:15 am

I go to SXM all the time. My aunt lives there about 3 miles from the Islanders Club. I was at the beach once, and a MD-11 of KLM landed, and nothing really happened. When the AA 757 tookoff, I got pushed a little bit but not too much. St. Maarten is great, the food is good, and the water is great.

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 6:56 pm

I have never spotted at SXM but the proximity of the runway to the sea can cause the jet blast to kick up some sand and dust. Yes, parking is prohibited on the perimeter road in the vicinity of the threshold.

MBJ is lovely, I have spotted there from an open pavilion located by the domestic terminal. If you ever go there just buy a ticket to KIN and arrive early. Once you check in you can walk to the pavilion which is almost on the tarmac. The sight of the planes taxying out for the southwest to northeast runway is great! You could also spot from the nearby beach but I did not try that.

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:56 pm

Again thanks. I would consider such a thing but only wearing a good pair of wrap around sunglasses and a jockstrap (hey, you never know what will come flying at you and where, right?)

I have always loved trains as well as planes. I know that out where I live, there is a wire gated footbridge going over the tracks. The diesel engines roar underneath your feet only 3 feet away. The adrenaline, rush, speed and heat as the rush by doing 69 mph is excellent.

But I am sure my visit to St. Maarten would beat that!
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 8:14 am

What Airlines serve SXM, from where, and how regularly. Also, is the island of St Maarten one and the same as St Martin?
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 8:22 am

AF, AOM, CO, AA, KLM, probably other that I can't remember.
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 10:23 am

Yeah it's the same place....Maarten is like Dutch i think, and Martin is how you spell the place in English.
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 11:33 am

I stayed at the Maho Beach Resort, adjacent to Princess Juliana Airport (SXM) in June 1990. At
the time, the regulars I spotted daily, while I was
in the water, by the pool, sipping drinks, or just
looking out my hotel window were:

Air France 747-100
American Airlines A300, B757, DC10, B727
Continental Airlines B727
Pan Am A310-300, B727
BWIA MD80
LIAT (various turboprops)
Lufthansa MD11
KLM MD11 and 747-300
UTA French Airlines 747-300

Lots of fun.

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 11:43 am

I think I am going to try and see if I can suggest St. Martin for my senior trip. That would be awesome. Except that alot of people in my class dont like flying. Oh well Party-poopers. TGUMAN
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 8:13 pm

Some more questions about St Maaten

* Does the island have a website (e.g. Tourism Bureau)

* Does the Maho Beach resort have a website? What other accomodation is there on the island?

* Is there a time of year with more aircraft, or are there the same ammount year round (my knowledge of Northern Hemisphere holiday patterns is limited)

* What airlines (with what aircraft) serve there currently? Any Star Alliance?

* What airline/route would you recomend to get there from Sydney, Australia (or Auckland, NZ), preferably with as much travel on Star Airlines?

Thanks for the help (I hope I'm not hijacking this thread too much...)

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Sep 28, 2001 9:27 pm

Thanks to US Airways Carribean section, I have answered my first question, for those of you who are interested:

http://www.st-maarten.com

and

http://www.st-martin.org

Hopefully they will answer my other questions...
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Sat Sep 29, 2001 7:36 am

I'll be there in 4 weeks, I can't wait. I think I might just have to stand behind the AF 747 just to experience it (and if i die, I had fun doing it!).
 
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:07 am

Actually the Island of St Marteen is shared between the Dutch and the French.

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Oct 03, 2001 7:42 am

Well, I have located the answers to some of the questions (silly me not using the search function! - http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/566785/)

However, there are still some things I am wondering, so I'm dragging this up again:

* Apparently December-May is the busiest season. When precisely in that period are there likely to be the most aircraft; when is the highest season for charters?

* There appear to be no Star airlines serving the route. What is Air Frances service like? Presumable its their two-class config... What is the business class like in that? Or would I be better off on KLM?

*Are KLM and AOM both 747s now? (They used to be MD-11 and DC-10s, didn't they?).

*Finally, I am still looking for a website for that Maho Beach resort...

Thanks for any help you can give

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Oct 03, 2001 7:51 am

Oops, silly me, one more question. Are there any other airports like SXM (i.e. with a spectacular approach, that you can get really close to, and that has large aircraft.) Not that I don't want to go to SXM, but I'd like to keep my options open...

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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Wed Oct 03, 2001 9:21 am

Dazed 767, let us know how it goes!
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RE: For Those Who Have Been To St. Maarten.

Fri Oct 05, 2001 12:02 am

St. Maarten refers to the 16 square miles of the island which form part of the Netherlands Antilles while St. Martin refers to the 21 square miles to the north which are administered by Guadeloupe and thus forms part of France. It is indeed one island.

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