CroFlight
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Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 3:57 pm

Just a simple question for those who are not usualy flying russian aircrafts...

You go to vacation. The price is fair, includes an airline return ticket. Than, you find out that the charter company is operating Tu154M. Would you still buy this vacation? Or, maybe, you would try to find another travel agency which is using western aircrafts...?

Thanx for the serious answers.
 
jwenting
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:07 pm

nice aircraft, but not for very long flights.
Try to get a seat well forward, as the engines are not all that quiet (slight understatement, which is also an understatement).

Makes for a new and different experience  Smile/happy/getting dizzy sitting on one of those rockets, think of an overpowered DC9...
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:08 pm

Yes, Tu-154M is my favorite type, in fact I've been on Tu-154B-2 twice. It is a great aircraft designed by the great A.Tupolev team of engineers. Although it was involved in many accidents statistics show that most were due to human error or deficiency of spare parts.

This is one of Tu-154B-2 that I have flown on. RA-85292 Sibir Airlines

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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:29 pm

I've flown on a TU-154 once and it was quite an experience. It was a nice aircraft for the short flight I was on but I wouldn't want to be on it for a longer flight. It was funny when the aicraft touched down becuase the all of the overhead bins opened up and when the aircraft started braking, all the vacant seats back rests flew forward as you would do when you push the seats forward during an emergency in the air.

/Fritzi
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:47 pm

Agree with Jwenting. Why are you so afraid of Russian aicrafts? Sometimes they seems to be more reliable, especilally in extreme service conditions. But comfort...
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 5:37 pm

Yes! In fact I would choose the holiday with a Tu-154 in preference to another, if everything else is equal.

I wish I had a scanner because I could upload some interior shots of these aircraft. If you compare them with a 777, they will be worse of course, but compared with any other 'normal' western aircraft, I can't see any difference.

I have flown over 110 sectors in the last 4 years, about 50% on Russian/Soviet planes.

In my opinion, people have to find SOMETHING wrong with Tupolevs, so comfort is an easy target because it is difficult to argue against.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 6:03 pm

Would I fly on a Tu-154?
You bet I would. There is nothing wrong with flying on this jet. It just sucks that western media always has to paint a bad picture of Russian/Soviet built airliners. Just because these types of aircraft are known for being noisy, fuel guzzling, and lacking in IFE does not mean it is unsafe to fly on. The interiors on some might be outdated and of poor quality but some carriers, including Aeroflot, are installing new interiors that look quite nice and maybe even nicer than most U.S. carriers.
I would fly on a Russian aircraft over 777 any day.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Fri Sep 28, 2001 6:16 pm

Actually i spent some time searching for destinations that are served by Il's and Tu's just to plan a vacation (but I wasnt successful though). As an aviation enthusiast I would not hesitate a second to get onto one of these planes.

Theres nothing worse than the boring conformity of silent, smoke free, efficient, neutred, and lifeless twin-jets (big or small) of these days. I frequently drift in dreams of greater times when CV990, VC-10's and caravelles were storming the skies. Russian planes might give us back something of a more fascinating past.

of course, modern planes are good for the lanet and good for residents in airport areas and good for travellers who only want to go from a to b conveniently. And of course I wowuld not vote against tecnical progress. but sometimes newer does not mean more fun. same with cars by the way.

regards, rabenschlag.
 
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RE: Rabenschlag...!

Fri Sep 28, 2001 7:40 pm

Just to tell you... New charter airline in Croatia "Air Adriatic" will fly Tu-154M's from different cities in Germany to the coastal cities in Croatia (for TUI and other tour operators). Also, they will fly so-called "workers flights", scheduled flights, from Germany to Croatia during the whole year.

So, that is your chance for the next year...

CroFlight
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 12:56 am

I've flown on TU-154s several times, both the B2 and M types. I have never hesitated to fly on them, and never would. They are as good as older Western types, if not a bit less comfortable for long-legged people.

As far as the old reputation that Soviet jetliners are unsafe to fly, this is more due to ignorance than anything else. The harshest critics of them I've seen on Airliners.net have never even flown them.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 2:22 am

I absolutely agree with Russianplnelvr as what he said about the criticism on Russian aviation. It has always irritated me. My favourite plane is the Tu-154 (the design just looks awesome), and during my training period for school with Aeroflot at Schiphol Airport I was inside and around a Tupolev every day, in the good old days Aeroflot still used Tupolevs 154 and 134 to Amsterdam. I found the interiors of the 154 very nice, and if I had the chance to fly a TU-154 today, I would not hesitate!! Wink/being sarcasticMartijn (ps just a note, have you ever experienced the startup-sequence of the TU-154B2's Kuznetsov engines? thats a awesome and great noise!!!)
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 2:23 am

I absolutely agree with Russianplnelvr as what he said about the criticism on Russian aviation. It has always irritated me. My favourite plane is the Tu-154 (the design just looks awesome), and during my training period for school with Aeroflot at Schiphol Airport I was inside and around a Tupolev every day, in the good old days Aeroflot still used Tupolevs 154 and 134 to Amsterdam. I found the interiors of the 154 very nice, and if I had the chance to fly a TU-154 today, I would not hesitate!! Wink/being sarcasticMartijn

(PS just a note, have you ever experienced the startup-sequence of the TU-154B2's Kuznetsov engines? thats a awesome and great noise!!!)
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 2:33 am

sorry, was a little fast so double posted it by accident Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Martijn
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 3:17 am

CroFlight

Zdravo K.,

Or maybe you would try another travel agency which is using western aircraft

Naw, especially if the 154 looks like it's in fairly well-kept shape inside and out, I don't think even most finicky Germans would have a problem choosing it as a travel option. And not a long flight, either, to Croatia.

I know I wouldn't mind flying a 154 sometime!

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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 3:47 am

I flew TU-154 3 times. Great aircraft, would definitely do it again.
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 4:11 am

K.S. - I saw one of those rust buckets at Zagreb in August, on my way from Dubrovnik to LHR. It looked awful next to the two OU airbuses! I wouldn't fly on one of those things unless it was my only way out of Kabul.
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 4:34 am

Stretch 8 It looked awful next to the two OU airbuses!

Well, OU really went to town a bit, getting those new 320s and 319s! (so I'm sure they'd look pretty nice even if there wasn't a 154 to compare to, next to 'em). Plus Air Adriatic basically a start-up charter rather than a flag-carrier, so right there a pretty big gap in capitalisation funds available.

What to you looked worst about the Tupolev you saw at ZAG, flaking paint, streaks of muck and soot, maybe? And d'you figure you'd have had a much more favourable impression of it if the exterior esthetics had been a lot nicer?
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 4:37 am

I'll take a TU-154M flight anyday!

I've flown on an IL-62 and I was very impressed!
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:25 am

Well, i have flown the Tu154 (and the Tu134, Il-62 also), and its fine. A flight between Moscow and St.Pete, no problem. But don't ask me to give up a Swissair or Austrian A330 for a Tu154 flight across the pond (even though thats not done). Its just a little rough and a little loud for flights longer then 3 hours or so.

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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:41 am

If I could be sure it and the airline had a good maintenance history, yes I think I would travel on it. I once travelled to Titograd on a JAT Boeing 727, it was dirty, scruffy and when it landed a guy run up a pair of ladders and poured a can of something into the No.1 engine and threw the empty can over his shoulder. There were about 200 other empty cans nearby!
It did not inspire confidence for the return trip.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:15 am

Ive flown it, on a domestic leg in Pakistan from Islamabad to Karachi on Shaheen Air, infact I was informed at the last minute that the aircraft would be a Tu-154M it was actually supposed to be a 737-400 and I almost did not board but to my surpride the journey turned out to be a good as on any western aircraft yes the plane is not good for long flights but then neither are the smaller Boeing and Airbus planes and the interior was a bit shabby but every thing else about the Tupolev was at par with its western counter parts, would I fly on it again? only if the fare is incredibly cheap as it was on that flight Smile
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:27 am

While I wouldn't mind flying a TU154, I think your average tourist would not be too eager for the experience. I've flown Russian airliners before (on Tarom), and while they might not be inferior in engineering compared to western counterparts, confort, noise levels and maintenance are probably not up to western standards.

What Dalmatian cities will Air Adriatic serve? BTW, is it possible to fly TU147s into European Union due to noise restrictions? I know that MontenegroAirlines actually can't fly it's Fokker 70 (far quieter then TU154) into EU because of the noise.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 7:00 am

Nice plane Ive been flown on about 4 Tu154s at least 20 times. Aeroflot and Samara Airlines. I really like them. Nothing to be scared about not any more than a 727 at least.
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 7:10 am

It's not a quiet plane... i can't argue that, but it was a pretty good experience and i wouldn't mind doing it again.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 7:12 am

so when is Air Adriatic finnally starting? I hope to see them at ZAG soon Tu-154M fits the noise regulations with hush-kits, these hush-kits are standard for newer models (early 90's and newer)
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 7:46 am

I have flown on a Tupolev 154 with Czech Airlines from PRG-ZAG-PRG, and I would have to say it is a great airplane, and I would definitely fly them again.


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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:44 am

I would LOVE to fly on a TU154 or maybe an IL-86/96, any Russian airliner! I miss seeing the Aeroflot IL-62s in Anchorage when they use to run the Moscow- SFO via Anchorage, the last one I saw was the one that got the tail chopped off by the wing of a taxiing Asiana B747-400! It sat in ANC for a year before they finally chopped it up, its gone now and so is Aeroflot.
 
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RE: Would You Fly Tu154M?

Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:59 am

What is the big bulky thing on the tail? Is it an antenna like on the 707?