Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:49 am

I don't see why there was such a big fuss over the A380. Yes it means over 500 people can travel together. To me it just means more conjestions and it will still be 8 Hours from Toronto to Amsterdam. If major airlines invested in faster aircrafts (Not necessarily the Concorde), they could fly more flights in a day, need fewer crews and people wouldn't have to go insane on long hauls. Plus I think they would make more money in the long run. After all, my uncle flew on the Concorde 3 or 4 summers ago and he said it costs an arm and a leg. Tell me what you think

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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 5:52 am

The problem is very clear. As time goes on, air travel will go nowhere but up (well, for the next 18 months there might be down turns, but that won't last), and there is only so many airplanes you can put in the sky at once.
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 2:29 pm

777 cruises in Mach 0.85. You cannot make it faster more than 15% unless you don't make supersonic. And, in fact, at most cases, No.1 reason for time consuming is on airports, not over sky. That's why 380 is sold.
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 4:42 pm

One slot. It's a 7772LR. 300 pax for arguments sake. SIn - LHR

One slot. It's an A388. 480 pax for arguments sake. Same travel time (about), same route, more pax, more money.
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 9:58 pm

I agree with Singapore_Air. More passengers more money. Why send two planes down when you can send one bigger one that will nearly fir the same amount of people. Save a heap of money and it will get rid of some of the smaller planes in the air. In the end, less money wasted on having planes everywhere when you can cut a few down by having a bigger one.
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 10:04 pm

777 cruises at M.84
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 11:22 pm

Everyone seems to imply that aircraft are crossing the atlantic full. The sad fact is that if you filled the aircraft, there would be tons of leftover slots.

Deregulation has in part caused the congestion in domestic and international airports and airspace. Too many airplanes for the amount of people.

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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sat Sep 29, 2001 11:34 pm

The airlines would make more money on flights with the A380 because of the number of passengers that it flies. The flight would have to be very popular to make money using the A380 though, because 500 seats is a lot of seats. I can see where the congestion would be brought down in the airports. There would be less planes flying if so many passengers could be flown on one aircraft. In the terminal there might be massive congestion. Trying to get 500 people on to a plane would take forever and to get that many people into a terminal waiting area might be kind of tough. I would bet that the gates no longer used by one airline because they are using the A380 instead of two other aircraft, would still get used by another airline that wants them. In my view, there are both serious pros and serious cons to the A380.

RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sun Sep 30, 2001 1:08 am

You won't ever get rid of the small airplanes because I doubt anyone would send a A380 on a 1700NM route. But in the end you guys have brought up very many interesting points. Thanks
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sun Sep 30, 2001 1:24 am

None of you will know what will happen as far as the A380 goes so stop acting like you do! Just wait and see, how hard is that?

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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sun Sep 30, 2001 1:36 am

There are some advantages to sending 2 777s instead of one A380 on a route - the airline can offer 2 different departure times, and pax like choice, and having 2 departures is useful in the hub systems that the airlines are now organized around. Also, the issue of route fragmentation; ie, instead of one A380 flying SFO to Tokyo, it may be better to have a 777 from SFO and another 777 from San Jose (just an example). The A380 will be amazing, the only issue is which routes will support such a big aircraft under the current way airlines are organized. Of course, BA could fill the A380 between JFK and LHR, but I do not see BA going from 6 flights per day to 3 per day on that route.

If the horrors of 11 Sept have a long term impact on the flying public, the need for the A380 may be reduced or delayed. Airbus is looking at this now but, of course,its too soon to tell.
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RE: Bigger Is NOT Always Better!

Sun Sep 30, 2001 1:40 am

well, it is normal that we should be able to anticipate...making predictions is an integral part of life. The A380 would be extremely useful for busy routes with heavy congestion and few available slots...such as CLK LHR, JFK LHR, SYD LHR, SIN LHR NRT LAX etc. At the same time using bigger planes diminishes the choice of time when a passanger can leave...but there is a definite preferences of passangers of when they would rather fly !
The 777s and 340s would be useful on less saturated markets and direct point to point routes...which I guess would be present more and more as people wish to avoid huge hubs and all the headache associated with hub transfers.

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