Douglas DC 8
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Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 7:04 pm

What is your favorite regional jet still not built? Mine is the A318, because it is for sure the widest, where you have the most place and it will be very similar to the A319, which is a good plane. The EMB-190 will be as wide as the Emb-145 or EMB-170. So it will be a very narrow airplane, where you almost asphyxiate when it is full of people. I don't know Canadair's regional Jet. I think Fairchild's reginal jet 728/928 could be also a good one.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 7:29 pm

A318 or BAE RJX-100X

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 7:53 pm

Mine is the 728/928JET family. Best in its class. One correction: the ERJ-170/190 are wider than the ERJ-145.
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 8:35 pm

Most confortable regional jet: ERJ-145
Of course it is also the most "elegant"

And it is true, the next generation Embraer has almost nothing to do with the ERJ145 / 135 which is in fact a stretched EMB-120 Brasilia, with diferent engines and wing.


The new breed of regional jets, due to appear in two or three years, from Embraer, Dornier and the likes, are dull and almos identical to each other.
 
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Are

Sun Sep 30, 2001 9:14 pm

Many people defend that B-777, B-767 and B-757, as well as A-330 and A-310 although being twin jets, are perfectly safe in long range transatlantic flights.

ETOPS regulations give people a certain degree of safety.

People saying that twins are safe, claim that no problem was ever detected, with twin jets that could be directly related with the "lack" of additional engines in a long range intercontinental flight.

Some people nevertheless claim that the world is just waiting for an accident. An accident that will prove that a four engined aircraft is far safer than a twin in long range flights. It it has never happened, it will - they say.

I must say that I have flown transatlantic flights between Portugal and Brazil, via TAP (with four engined A-340) and with VARIG (With two B-767ER).

The difference is not that much, but when I am up there I can't stop thinking about it.

Opinions welcome.
 
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RE: Are

Sun Sep 30, 2001 9:45 pm

My favourite is the Avro RJX100

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 9:50 pm


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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 10:02 pm

Mine is the rj-85 what a wonderfull airplane
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Sun Sep 30, 2001 10:19 pm

My favorite which is already built is the Canadair CL-600 and the one which has not been built yet is EMB-190.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 12:29 am

I believe CRJ (series -700 and -900) are the best regional jets  Big thumbs up

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 12:38 am

I think the new dornier regionals will be pretty nice
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 1:16 am

Probably the ERJ 170 as it is going to be wider than current CRJ's or ERJ's but still has no middle seats.



(This pic shows the cabin of an ERJ 190-100 which is longer but provides the same width as the 170.)

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 1:19 am

A318, its so cute!
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 1:27 am

I'm sorry, I didn't know that the EMB170/190 will be wider than its previous brothers. But will it be aslo higher? I'm 1m90 tall and I had to bend me down a little bit when I walked through the Emb 145 last time. I think taller people have problems. The advantage of the A318 is that it is 2m 14 high.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 1:47 am

But will it be aslo higher? I'm 1m90 tall and I had to bend me down a little bit when I walked through the Emb 145 last time. I think taller people have problems. The advantage of the A318 is that it is 2m 14 high.


Yes, the cabin will be wider (2.52 m vs 1.56 m [ERJ 145], both on floor level!) and higher, not as high as the A 318, though: 2 m (ERJ 145: 1.82 m).

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NoUFO

Mon Oct 01, 2001 2:01 am

One would guess that the middle seat will only be used when the load factor is higher than 80 %. But loads this high are very unusual in regional business. So I see a five-abreast plane to be more comfortable than a 4-abreast. And one has consider the "tube-effect". The ERJs are much thiner compared to the 728JEt or RJX-85/100. But only time will tell what is prefered by customers.
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 2:05 am

Thanks NoUfo and thanks to all.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 2:14 am

Althougha rust bucket by today's standards, the rugged Yak-40. The Do328jet also is a nice bird I hear.

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RE: NoUFO

Mon Oct 01, 2001 2:14 am

Flying-Tiger,

Of course this was just my opinion, but

One would guess that the middle seat will only be used when the load factor is higher than 80 %. But loads this high are very unusual in regional business

Why "higher than 80%" and not 66%??
I'm not so good at maths, but when you take a 90-seater then 30 seats fall on middle seats which equals 1/3, hmm?
I fly quite often on regional jets with some 70% or 80% of capacity used.

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RE: NoUFO (the Sequel)

Mon Oct 01, 2001 2:37 am

The ERJs are much thiner compared to the 728JEt or RJX-85/100.

That depends on what you mean with "much":
Max width ERJ 170: 3.01 m (4 abreast)
Max. width Dornier 728: 3.25 m (5 abreast)

I didn't look upt for the Avro but I guess it isn't much wider than Dornier's 728 - if i is wider.

But only time will tell what is prefered by customers.
True.

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 4:34 am

Which is the most fuel-efficient? I think the Bae 145 is not on the top with its four engines.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 4:37 am


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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 4:43 am

ERJ-145 why?
Leather seats in all series. Isle or window or both. Bathroom is larger than CRJ. Window is larger and at a level that a normal adult won't have to strain his or her neck to look out of. Food service. Real coffee makers that brew fresh coffee on newer ERJ's. Dual FMS in newer ones and dual radar heads with terrain mapping.

Dislikes of ERJ:
Smaller cockpit
noisy cockpit and front of cabin
7600 foot takeoff rolls are the norm!
.783 high speed bell is unable to be canceled!
Thrust reversers deploy like an Airbus

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 4:56 am

The A318 is not a regional jet.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:16 am

Why not?
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Tue Oct 02, 2001 1:29 am

The A 318 has been launched as a reginal jet with about 100 seats. The Emb 190 is as big as the A 318 and has almost the same range.
 
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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Tue Oct 02, 2001 2:11 am

You have five seats in one row. Means 100% has to be divided by 5, not by three (20% vs 33%). 60 pax in a 90-seater equals to a load factor of 66% when you´ve only THREE rows. If interested in a discussion don´t hesitate to mail me in private: tiger-star@gmx.de

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RE: Your Favorite Regional Jet

Tue Oct 02, 2001 2:39 am

I love the DO-328 Jet, i hope to fly one,one of these days.

Eric