RJ_Delta
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Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:03 am

Hi:

Due a financial crisis on Swissair, SAir Group has decide retire all A319-200 and A321-200 from Swissair fleet. Swissair is planning to use the Embraer ERJ-145 on flights previously operated by A319. Also SAir Group is planning merger Swissair and Crossair in one company called Swiss Airlines.

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RJ_Delta.
 
9V-SPK
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:07 am

Where did you get the source?And......would they really spend money on the ERJ-145 to replace the A319?!?!It'd be even more not-profitable to retire some new planes...i think the A319 and A321 one's are quite new.

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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:13 am

9v-spk:

The information was published in justplanes.com, today in a chilean newspaper and on CNN the last Thursday.

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9V-SPK
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:16 am

Alright thanx for that.
But i still think to retire new planes...and replace them with ERJ......maybe in my opinion,you can't compare them both together.I think if they only retire A321 or reduce the fleet number,that'd be possible and reasonable.

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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:19 am

Swissair's CEO should buy "Airport Tycoon"
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RJ100
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:27 am

Hello

RJ_Delta is right. Swissair is going to sell their 319s and 321s. Crossair (which operates the Embraer) takes over a lot of Swissair's routes.

Hope this helps,
RJ100
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teahan
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:19 am

Hello,

In other slightly related and pretty surprising Swissair news, there was an interesting post in the Swissair Yahoo Group that that Swissair will cancel the A340-600 order and keep the MD-11 (Please note that the original source was the not so reliable Swiss newspaper, the Sonntagszeitung)

I certainly wouldn't consider it the worst idea. At the end of the day, the MD-11 are relatively young, pretty reliable, passengers seem to like them and they are my favourite plane.

Only problem, the MD-11 entertainment system leaves a lot to be desired and this would really be a very bitter blow to to Airbus.

Jeremiah

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Swissair
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
 
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:47 am

Teahan,

Cheers for the link; according to BBC News, UBS & Credit Suisse are helping SR cover the cost of it's operations, but won't dole out more cash, so they still have big debts to pay off; apparently the Swiss Government is not interested, but if SR goes down the drain, who will be filling it's place?

Would we see a situation similar to what happened when Phillippine Airlines went bust? in that case, Cathay flew Phillippine's flights for a while.

Would the Swiss allow their airline to go bust? I am pretty confident the British government wouldn't allow BA to go down the drain.

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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 6:25 am

Swissair has gone from one of the world's best carriers to one of the worst managed
companies in the world. Buying a stake in
Sabena, trying to form a pan-European
alliance through Qualiflyer, spending $$$
on new planes when the existing fleet was
not that old, and all its silly ventures into
hotels, catering, etc....was all too much
for a mid-sized European carrier. I am
very concerned about Swissair. It is a
great airline with historic importance. I
doubt though that the A319's and the
A321's will go away. Using EMB-145's
would introduce another fleet type and
cost more in maintenance. I would see
a reduction of A319's and A321's along
with the announced retirement of 9 MD
11 aircraft but killing them off would be
a mistake. These are efficient aircraft
and serve SR's route structure well and
permit the kind of flexibility and
commonality SR needs.

ContinentalEWR
 
RJ_Delta
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 8:33 am

9v-spk:

I agree with you, doesn't exist a point for compare the two aicraft. The A319 is a great plane specially to low density routes and the A321 is perfect for high density european routes like London.
But is the resolution of the SAir Group.

RJ_Delta.
 
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:07 am

QF or AN possible buyers/lessees of the A321's? If AN MkIII gets off the ground, then AN could pick them up. If it doesn't, I reckon QF might pick them up and start to retire their 737 Classics.

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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:24 am

AN is interested to get A321s if demand picks up.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:38 am

Hey,
Swissair has A320s too. What's going to happen to them?

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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:05 pm

I was at the announcement by the new Swissair CEO the other day and he said that the 319 and 321 are not profitable aircraft. Conventional wisdom says that they should be but evidently they are not.

He also said that there are 340-600s in Toulouse (already painted) ready to be delivered when the plane is certified, but that Swissair will not take delivery of them.

Swissair is in REALLY big trouble and may stop operating shortly. Here in Switzerland the rumours are that they are having trouble paying salaries and fuel. And they are bleeding badly in Belgium and Germany paying for Sabena and LTU.
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:07 pm

Another case of an airline trying to be everything to everyone.

I'm hoping for the best, for every airline, at this time.
 
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 4:20 pm

Swissair has been broke for the past year, and the crisis has been accelerated by the attacks on the US, making it lose passengers and money. Rumours say that Swissair might be put into receivership.


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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Mon Oct 01, 2001 6:24 pm


Mhh wouldn't it be good for them if they pretty much dropped their whole Intercontinental network and try to operate successfully as a European airline as Crossair does ?
 
trintocan
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RE: Swissair Retire A319 And A321.

Tue Oct 02, 2001 9:50 pm

SR is not the first airline to drop A321s claiming their being unviable - BWIA did the same back in 1996 when it had leased in 2. The planes now fly for Air Alfa.

It is sad to see Swissair in so much trouble.

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