LatinPlane
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What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 7:45 am

What are the Latin American airlines doing due to the slowness of their most biggest market, the U.S. As far as I know only Varig has been quick to react by announcing layoffs and the reduction of 14 aircraft in their fleet, however, these only being narrow-body domestic 737s. Nothing was said about long-range flights to the U.S. being cancelled, only future growth projections being scrapped. In this case, Varig seems not too worried about the international routes but more about the domestic routes. I think this was a wise and good mood for Varig.

Lan Chile has made a few revisions in their schedule, mainly to the flights destined to New York. Lan Chile is well prepared to weather the storm.

Some of the airlines will be relatively unaffected as they already have a limited presence in the U.S. namely the South American carriers. Avianca might be witnessing less passengers on their Newark, JFK flights but I assume that the Miami and LAX routes seem to be operating as usual.

Avensa and the rest of Venezuela carriers have a very limited route network only serving Florida so I don't expect them to hurt too much as they already are hurting under normal circumstances in any case so not much change there.

I expect the Taca group to be quite affected as they run quite a few flights into the North Eastern part of the country and Eastern Canada. But I don't believe that it will affect them too much in the long term as they mainly focus on flying their ex-pats back home on friends/family flights. I don't believe that they'll suffer too much from business travel as they are not really too well known in that area.

And I assume that the Mexican airlines will be the most hard hit by this. In all sectors due to it's proximity to the U.S.. However, they haven't announced any new immediate measures like most of the rest of the industry. However, they could use this as a way to consolidate their presence in the market and become stronger. But I don't believe they want to risk too much looses for an uncertain future.


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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 8:03 am

I would say Copa is another carrier that could suffer due to the fact that they are partly owned by Continental which has been terribly affected by this tragedy.
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 9:41 am

Chepos:

Copa will continue to fly in his normal timetable. I don't think that COPA would suffer because their principal flights are to Latin America and COPA has only four flights to US: Miami (2), Orlando (1), Los Angeles(1).

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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 9:55 am

Hi:

Lan Chile announced that they will cut part of the flights to United States and cut 700 employees. Lan Chile has 13.000 employees.

Grupo Taca (Taca, Taca Peru, Aviateca, Lacsa, Nica)operations to/from United States will continue normally.

Aero Continente study new routes to Fort Lauderdale, New York and Los Angeles (see my topic about this) and will add new flights to Central America.

Lloyd Aereo Boliviano cut their flights to Bogotá, Caracas and anothers South America cities (specially Argentina).

SEPI would announce tomorrow the future of Aerolineas Argentinas.

In Ecuador possible we can't see many changes.

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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 10:10 am

Hi,

Taca will continue all of it's flight to the US normally, their CEO Fernando Blosh, told all the Central American countries to not give all expences charge because of the Sept 11 incidents. Even, they almost have a monopoly in Central America, except Copa that don't serve all of the countries.


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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 10:16 am

LanChile is routing JFK flights through Miami and will suspend Miami-Quito-Guayquil on 13 October until further notice unless there is an error on the OAG (which has happened). Don't expect this to be permanent, however. The flight is operated by LanChile in agreement with Ecuatoriana (they still exist domestically, correct?), if I am not mistaken.

TAM is supposedly suspending the second daily Miami-Sao Paulo flight through 15 December 2001. Though when that flight returns, so will a new Miami-Rio de Janiero flight. Miami-Manaus-Brasilia is uneffected.

Varig will delay JFK-Rio de Janiero. Some have said they will end the second weekly Miami-Manaus frequency, but that has yet to happen, and the flight, operated by a 73G, remains popular, and nesecary, with TAM now operating daily service.

The future of Aerolineas Argentinas will be known soon, though they have put Miami flights on the schedule for 1 November.

LAB is suspending a lot of routes, but thier sole US destination, Miami (served daily from either Santa Cruz, La Paz, or Manaus, depending on the day), remains uneffected (and it is thier single most profitable route, so it will remain that way; I don't know if they still are, but they are trying to get an extension of the route to Washington Dulles).

Like others have mentioned, the rest of the airlines have limited presence in North America, and there have been very little cuts, if any. Those include Avianca, Aeropostal, TransBrasil, Servivensa, Avensa, Surinam Airways, and Aeromar, among others.
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 12:19 pm

The Lan Chile flights from JFK are going via Lima or Guayaquil, not Miami. Also the Varig MIA-MAO that was operated by the 73G was dropped back in August.
 
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 11:19 pm

Also LAB doesn't serve Manaus from Miami anymore. Currently they are flying into Miami 6 times a week (except monday), using a 727. From Bolivia, the flight operates: La Paz-Santa Cruz-Panama City-Miami. From Miamia they operate 6 times a week (except tues). The routing is: Miami-Panama City-Santa Cruz-Cochabamba-La Paz (except Mon. when the flight doesn't continue to La Paz). And effective Nov 5. the routing of the flight will be only La Paz-Santa Cruz-Miami (6 times a week). The 727 will be used between La Paz and Santa Cruz, and the A310 between Santa Cruz and Miami.

Also Transbrasil still isn't operating flights into the United States and they have dropped almost all their routes for the time being.

Servivensa dropped 1 daily flight between Miami and Caracas, and Aeropostal dropped service to Porlamar.
 
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 11:24 pm

The 2nd daily CCS-MIA flight by Servivensa will be back on Nov. 5., so it's just temporary.
 
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 2:17 am

DKR, were do you get your info? I find myself relying mostly on OAG, which is not always 100%. However, about the Varig MIA-MAO second weekly, that flight started in mid-August, I think, and the scheudles still show it. In fact, on 8 October, it will depart about an hour later.
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 2:36 am

Mah4546-

All my info comes from my CRS at work, directly into Varig's system. The only Varig flight from Miami to Manaus is on Wednesdays RG 8805 with the 767.
 
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RE: What Are The Latin American Airlines Doing?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 7:10 am

Hello,
Well over here at AEROMEXICO as said by our CEO, Am will reduce flights. As of yesterday 15% of flights have been reduced, our fleet will be dropped down by 3 planes, 1 DC9 and 2 MD80's. The MD80s of AM have a rental agreement saying that you only pay if they fly, so they will be doing maintanance to 2 MD80s a month so that puts our fleet back down to 68.

Although said last thursday at our Union meeting, AM will layoff 1400 employees, Mexicana will layoff 2000 employees, all of these are ground staff.

At this same meeting we were told that posibly a B767-200 would arrive for december to start 2 daily madrid and start service to Buenos Aires non.stop. So in a way if Mexican companies get it straight and do the right things maybe they will take advantage of the situation.

We already are seing this with flights to the US, we are getting higher demands than expected, due to the increase of more americans not wanting to fly their airlines for the moment.

I guess nobody really knows what really is going to happen with world aviation, hopefully things start to shape up!

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