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Westjet Adds Cities

Tue Oct 02, 2001 11:35 pm

Apologies if this is a duplicate post. Westjet has added Sault St Marie and Thompson service from Winterpeg.


CALGARY, Alberta (BUSINESS WIRE) - WestJet Airlines (TSE:WJA.) today announced that it is adding service to the new market of Thompson, Manitoba starting December 14, 2001, with non-stop flights between Thompson and Winnipeg four days per week. One-way fares between Thompson and Winnipeg will start at $109.

WestJet will also add service to the new market of Sault Ste. Marie starting December 18, 2001. WestJet will operate non-stop service between Sault Ste. Marie and Winnipeg three days per week. One-way fares between Sault Ste. Marie and Winnipeg will start at $109.

Bill Lamberton, WestJet's Vice President, Marketing and Sales, said today "We are very pleased to further enhance WestJet service in Manitoba and Ontario, to bring truly affordable air travel to both Thompson and Sault Ste. Marie. With WestJet's friendly, no hassle service to Winnipeg we to hope stimulate the air travel market in both these regions."

As part of the schedule enhancements announced today, WestJet will also increase frequency on its key routes between Ottawa and Hamilton and Winnipeg and Hamilton. As well, WestJet has already announced that it will add service between Hamilton and Sudbury on December 12, 2001, and increase to two flights each weekday on this route on December 13, 2001. One-way fares between Hamilton and Sudbury will start at $79.

WestJet Airlines serves the 17 Canadian cities of Victoria, Comox, Vancouver, Abbotsford/Fraser Valley, Prince George, Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, Grande Prairie, Fort McMurray, Saskatoon, Regina, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Hamilton, Ottawa and Moncton. WestJet operates a fleet of 25 Boeing 737 aircraft, featuring three state-of-the-art new generation 737-700 aircraft. WestJet is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol WJA.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 12:27 am

I can see the point of a Winnipeg-Thompson service as a useful service for civil servants going back and forth between their departments' head offices in YWG and northern regional offices in YTH.

But Winnipeg-Sault Ste. Marie?! The point-to-point traffic will be next to nothing, and I can't see the thru-traffic from the rest of western Canada being all that great. Wouldn't it make more sense to start with a YAM-YHM route, where at least there would be a decent mix of point-to-point and connecting traffic?


 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 2:08 am

Winnipeg-Thompson is what I've seeing all along, but Winnipeg-Sault Ste Marie!?

Not only does it make sense for the YTH-YWG route in terms of civil servants, but also for other people who don't have the time to drive to Winnipeg which is over 700 km south - similar to the distance between Calgary and Fort McMurray. Thompson has about 15,000 people, so that's a bit of a small market. But the demand might be there, as until a few years ago, CP used to fly 732's up there. AC still flies F28s there.

I don't exactly see how YAM can hold onto its Winnipeg route for long. I thought WJ'd go for a YAM-YHM route instead! Either it's just a Limited Edition style route or something strange's going on at WJ. By the way, I thought Sault Ste. Marie's economy is in serious trouble as its mine may close.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:34 am

This is good news for Winnipeg. We have a expansion on the main ramp going on.Loos like were gonna need the extra room for all these flights. Plus it looks like Westjet added 2 extra YWG-YHM flights which makes the total to 5 during the week. I was a bit shocked about Sault Ste Marie I must say. I knew Thompson would eventually come in a few years but wasn't expecting it this early. West jet does a good job of connecting pax through Winnipeg to other destinations. Next thing you know they may need a biigger ticket counter space.
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 5:18 am

Along with all of you I am also very suprised at them going from YAM-YWG and not YAM-YHM oh well it could just be a trial period. Also when they say this WestJet will also increase frequency on its key routes between Ottawa and Hamilton and Winnipeg and Hamilton. Are they refering to what they already announce? or is this evem more flights or is it just being switched from service with the -200s to service with -700s

One final thing Im proud of Westjet considering just about every airline is cutting back flights and staff well they continue to push forward. You think they will still have a profit for the month of september?

way to go Westjet you guys will always be number1.
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 5:56 am

I can't believe, in a time like this, an airline is accualy adding destinations to it's network.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 5:56 am

Looks like Westjet is on the move. Great Airline.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2001 10:37 am

As it hasn't come near it's growth potential yet, WJ has no reason to cut back. If it was bigger, it would feel the drop in traffic more, but right now it's got the ability to grow.

As far as Thompson goes, fairly safe route. Pretty much a classic WJ service that will stimulate increased travel in a remote area (around 10 hrs by bus, somewhat more by train). I expect most business travel would still go by AC/CalmAir, although maybe we should note that YTH-YWG-YHM-YSB is same plane service (possibly of use to Inco). Apart from that, first nations people coming to YWG for services, and other people coming south for leisure (ie- higher income such as Manitoba Hydro employees) would probably use it.

YWG-YAM kind of confuses me a bit too. It'll be interesting to see if there's the demand for it. But why they would fly out of YAM at this point rather than YSB (with handling in place) is a bit of a mystery to me. I'd love if it were to work, but somehow my gut feeling is that they'll switch the aircraft to full daily YTH service within a year or so. It just doesn't seem likely YAM-YWG would survive in the long term. I have a hard time seeing SSM having enough connecting through-traffic to YYC, or enough O&D into YWG. Bottom line is that Algoma Steel is the biggest employer in SSM, and it's not doing so well these days (plus most of the western manufacturers source steel from Ipsco in Regina, so not much business traffic for Algoma). Apart from that SSM has the Algoma Central Railway, but although Winnipeg is a very large national railway centre, Algoma Central is a north-south regional and wouldn't have much business to do with mainline transcontinental rail operations. I just don't see the current economy in SSM as supporting this, unless WJ can draw enough westbound traffic through the border out of Michigan.

Personally I would have preferred using the YHM-YWG turnaround for a YQR run with a decent connecting time this time around, but using the aircraft for YTH/YAM should be OK.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 10:52 am

The Thompson route will work as been proven by previous airlines. It's also good timing as they can probably pull away alot of Air Canada's and Calm Air's passengers. Sault Ste. Marie is a mystery to me, no indications anywhere about this move. There are many other city's that Westjet could affectively make a profit on ahead on Sault Ste. Marie.
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 2:35 pm

Who is calm Air? What is the population of Sault Ste. Marie?

Thanx
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:01 pm

Calm Air is a small regional carrier assoc with AC flying to smaller Manotiba cities from Winnipeg (YWG) with 748's and Saab 340B's.

Sault Ste Marie has a pop of about 80k. On the border with SSM Michigan which has about 50k.

Great to see Westjet moving into Ontario and starting 732 service that Air Ontario wouldn't even touch with Dash 8's. BRAVO!!!!

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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:12 pm

I couldn't be more disapointed with their manegment. One of the major cities in western canada still dosn't recieve their service and their expanding in eastern canada....

Good thing im getting out this stinkin' country soon, I don't think I could take anymore of this b/s thats virtualy everywhere.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:25 pm

YKA - PLEASE have some patience! Don't you worry too much. Kamloops'll eventually get WJ service. I'd say chances of that happening are actually quite good within the next 3-4 years, as the newer 73Gs keep on coming.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:32 pm

Yeah in 3-4 years kamloops will have long forgoten i ever lived here. I was hoping to see a 737 or F28 land here before i move back to europe but i can see it won't happen now Sad
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Thu Oct 04, 2001 2:02 am

For 1 thing I have been having lenghty discussions about Westjet flying to YAM. In the hsitory books off YWG I don't recall any airline doing a YWG-YAM flight before. To my knowlege this is a first which makes me wonder why not use YHM instead of YWG? Is Westjet trying to make YWG all of a sudden a central hub with all these connections taking place. Westjet does do very well in YWG. I have acess to loads and they are quite good sometimes even over booked. I think next week Westjet adds their early morning arrival from YQT. At 7:15am YWG is already a mad house just with flights leaving the main ramp not arriving. I don't even think there is a gate avialible at 7:15am cause the majority of them are taken. This will be intresting to watch.
do you think WJ will make YAM and YTH a daily route instead of 3 and 4 times a week?
Also on another note anyone know if Westjet will be back in Brandon?
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Thu Oct 04, 2001 2:06 am

Until the early '80's, Nordair flew YYZ-YAM-Dryden-YWG with 732's.

How do you get access to the WJ loads in YWG?

It does seem a little odd that YSB will connect with YHM but YAM will connect with YWG....maybe WJ are just testing traffic flows in Northern Ontario.



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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Thu Oct 04, 2001 3:57 am

YKA--One of the major cities in western canada still dosn't recieve their service and their expanding in eastern canada....

Well..y'gotta admit once to get down to Kamloops' population, there are a lot of cities --or towns, really-- in both Western and Eastern Canada (hey like Sault Ste. Marie, for instance..)


Good thing im getting out this stinkin' country soon, I don't think I could take anymore of this b/s thats virtualy everywhere.


Look if having a certain kind of plane serve your local airport is your criterion to judge the quality of residency in the whole country --and a country that big, too-- then sounds to me like you need to address those priorities, pronto!  Big grin (maybe live deep within the noise footprint of Heathrow instead, for instance)
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2001 7:10 am

Nordair, and Transair before it, did indeed operate a Northern Ontario service that stopped in the Sault and other communities between Toronto and Winnipeg. However, I suspect the old Sault Ste. Marie flights were intended to tap into YAM-YYZ traffic more than anything else.

Air routes tend to follow at least some sort of logic (and the money, of course). Where do leisure or business travelers from YAM need to get to most often? Where do the people who need to go to YAM regularly usually come from?

In both cases, southern Ontario.

Which is what is so puzzling about YWG-YAM nonstop service. Winnipeg and Sault Ste. Marie are so disconnected from each other that I wouldn't bet on a nonstop 19-seat Metroliner or 32-seat 328Jet service being profitable, let alone 737 service.

What next? Regina-North Bay? Moncton-Timmins?

On another note, I agree with Mark D.'s post above. If the lack of jet service to Kamloops makes Canada a "stinkin' country", we must really be spoiled rotten. Take a third-world immigrant into any major Canadian supermarket sometime and ask him how it compared to what they had back home, and if he thinks Canada stinks. More likely than not, you'll hear the truth that we live in the land of plenty.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Fri Oct 05, 2001 1:30 am

My question is where does Business come in between YWG-YAM? YAM I don't even think have flights out to the west maybe bearskin does a milkrun route in there through YQT. But I hope this route works I dodn't think there was any demand for YWG-YAM. I guess it could work but its a risky route in which money could be lost in. I am thinking postive about this route to work. YWG needs the connections and right now it looks like Westjet is on the verge of making YWG their next hub.
Any thoughts?
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Fri Oct 05, 2001 2:17 am

I think that YWG-YAM will work. People is YAM will no longer have to go through YQT or go east to YYZ before going to Western Canada. As long as the YAM flights have connections to YYC, where connections can be made everywhere else in the west. The route should work. I suspect that you wil eventually see a YHM-YAM-YWG-YYC routing.

Look at how many routes WJ has started, that nobody thought would work and are a success. Like YYJ-YXS or Comox-YYC.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:32 am

YAM-YWG is definitely one of the weirder routes WJ has started recently, although at 3/week it's not really a huge amount of capacity.

-this route probably won't have terribly much support from westerners, as inbound YAM passengers aren't particularly likely to be from the west. WJ will probably get most of the existing leisure traffic from the west, though. (I'm actually thinking that for $109 this could be appealing for next summer, just because I've never been to Soo). Also, a little marketing in the major western cities might generate some traffic, as well as potentially being able to tap some demand for flights into parts of Michigan
-if I lived in SSM, and was considering options for leisure travel, basically it would mean a choice between surface transport, connecting at YYZ, or flying WJ. I was thinking that for any sort of leisure travel, it would be pretty appealing to go to Grand Beach (1 hour from YWG) or Banff (1 hour from Calgary). I suppose advertising and promotion would be needed to get people going west, but there's some potential demand.
-heading south for winter vacations is popular among many Canadians, but for people from Soo it would probably involve connecting at YYZ. I'm guessing it'll probably be just as cheap (and probably easier) to connect southward to sunspot flights to PHX, LAS, Mexico, etc from YWG using WJ to connect to the charters as it would be using AirOntario into YYZ. This would depend on travel agents, but it potentially serve a fair number of passengers.

Anyways, strange route, these are my ideas as to where WJ might see passengers coming from. Whether YWG-YAM will survive long term is a question, but then again, as yow has implied, why not use it like other WJ milkruns and fly YWG-YAM-YOW or YWG-YAM-YHM or something the same way they fly routes like YYC-YLW-YYJ.
 
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Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:56 am

Westjet is going to have to generate a lot of new business to make YWG-YAM work. I looked up the YWG numbers in StatsCan's 1997 Air Passenger Origin and Destination report (unfortunately, the latest one available), and traffic was very light for this city pair.

1996

Outbound (YWG-YAM): 920 (2.5 per day, average)
Inbound (YAM-YWG): 900 (2.5 per day, average)
Total: 1,820

1997

Outbound (YWG-YAM): 760 (2.1 per day, average)
Inbound (YAM-YWG): 820 (2.2 per day, average)
Total: 1,580

It would be tough for a 737 to break even, at three times a week, on a city-pair generating less than 20,000 inbound and outbound passengers per year. Going by the latest stats I can get, only a few cities generate that sort of O & D traffic from YWG, namely: Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Regina, Saskatoon, Thompson, Thunder Bay, Toronto, Vancouver, Victoria, Chicago, Los Angeles, Minneapolis/St. Paul and New York City.

(If anyone has access to more recent stats -- that is, if StatsCan still publishes them -- it would be interesting to see them. I admit the ones above are a bit dated, but I doubt YWG-YAM traffic has changed much anyway.)

 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 12:25 am

Well we will see how this works. I think westjet this could be the start of a major bank of flights for Winnipeg. YWG needs more flights especially to the US as we lost Denver this year ands hope we can get something perminant. Maybe Los Angeles.
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 5:30 am

YWG777--Well we will see how this works

Yes how can you not applaud WestJet for coming out with a sort of wild route like this, and announced after Sept. 11, to boot.

Can't help but think they're just setting up shop --which how expensive can it be anyway, this is probably the biggest thing in scheduled transport the Soo airport's seen in twenty years,if not longer, maybe since it was built, so I'm sure the Mayor and Chamber of commerce guys are being real accommodating-- and maybe if loads Westwards prove sturdy over the winter months, they might give a go ahead for a YWG-TQT-YAM-YHM milk run (those're all fairly equidistant intermediate segments, along that journey).
Hope it works!

And it`d be great for the Soo if it got established as some kind of little hub for folks from Marathon to Espanola and Manitoulin, really big swath of territory. With maybe a marketing focus on the guys wanting to get out Eastwards or (with less certainty) Westward in the country during wintertime rather than relying solely on the train or the trans-Canada, while instead bringing people in for fishing and expedition tourism, in summer. Either way it`s a pretty imaginative and adventurous route decision, just for starters.

 
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Sat Oct 06, 2001 8:46 am

I don't know if we're going to see much expansion out of YWG. Whatever expansion we do see will probably be incremental, such as beefed-up service on existing routes or restoration of routes like Westjet's Winnipeg-Regina service, which looked promising but was poorly scheduled. (If memory recalls correctly, it operated just once per day, with the inbound flight from YQR usually arriving at about 8:30 in the morning, and the outbound flight to YQR leaving at something like 10 p.m.)

Where will we see expansion? Here are some good prospects (some perhaps operating only 3 or 4 times a week), based on their current network:


Edmonton-Yellowknife
Hamilton-Fredericton
Hamilton-Halifax
Hamilton-Montreal
Hamilton-North Bay
Hamilton-Quebec City
Hamilton-Saint John, NB-Halifax
Hamilton-Sault Ste. Marie
Hamilton-Timmins
Hamilton-Windsor
Vancouver-Campbell River
Vancouver-Castlegar
Vancouver-Cranbrook
Vancouver-Fort St. John
Vancouver or Calgary-Kamloops
Vancouver-Penticton
Vancouver-Prince Rupert


Eventually we might also see (most likely after the creation of new bases):


Halifax-Charlottetown
Halifax-St. John's, Nfld.
Halifax-Sydney/Cape Breton Island
Montreal-London, Ont.
Montreal-Halifax
Montreal-Moncton
Montreal-Quebec City
Montreal-Rouyn/Noranda
Ottawa-Halifax
Ottawa-London, Ont.
Ottawa-Quebec City


Clearly, there's a lot of point-to-point markets that Westjet can and probably will pick up on -- and that's going to mean good growth prospects (in terms of both network and profits) for them in the coming years.

I wonder what would happen if they purchased regional jets, such as CRJs or 328s? Certainly it would allow them to beef up frequencies on existing routes, but it would also allow for all kinds of possibilities on routes for which 737s might not be useful.

 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 10:43 am

Interesting stats, McDougald, thanks. Were they online (I can't seem to find them...)

The beauty of WJ is that they're willing to go where passengers haven't already been travelling, so as to encourage new traffic patterns. If it works out, I wouldn't rule out similar routes, but I'd agree more with running Ontario traffic out of YHM. On the western end of things, however, I think Lethbridge and Medicine Hat would look pretty good for east-west flying.

FYI, I've checked and YAM-YYC is priced from $175. Not a bad price...

I believe the seat-mile costs of RJ's are too high for WJ's formula. I personally think C3, however, should look at RJ's, as they're not quite the same sort of cost-focus...
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2001 11:15 am

AC183--YAM-YYC is priced about $175

Advanced booking, of course. But still, it's great  Smile/happy/getting dizzy (I don't think even Voyageur/Greyhound bus would be that low. Or even' drivin', for that matter)


I believe the seat-mile costs of RJs are too high for WJ's formula

Actually, I don't know how that's possible, outside of the slightly added cost components of new flight ratings for pilots and different maintenance complements for the jets. But direct-operating, I'm really thinking that WJ is setting up routes like this new YAM one, with the intention of someday not too far off replacing it with RJ service of some kind, sort of along the lines of AC's new RJ trans-Ontario milk run for YUL-YOW-YQT-YWG. RJs may still be a new product, especially in the labour-agreement-hemmed-in world of AC but, for somebody more nimble like WestJet, seems to me just the corporate decision go-ahead is all that's needed, before the capital raising happens and the jets start coming in. Especially for flexible carriers like Westjet, seems Canada would be ideal RJ-country, especially for medium and lower-density domestic routes a lot of possibilities of which Mcdougald has suggested, above.

But it would still be a big corporate decision. I think first before doing any of that they're going to do a bit more work on their Ontario- and hopefully Quebec-- basic routes first, with their 73s.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 12:29 pm

McDougald, there are a few more routes I could add to your list (which looks good, BTW) that WJ could add such as.

Vancouver - Grande Prairie (I've seen a surprising number out of GP whose final destination is Vancouver. CPAir did operate that route years ago)

Vancouver - Whitehorse

Edmonton - Whitehorse (could be probably via GP or simply nonstop. Once again, CPAir did that run back in the '70s, too. It's difficult enough for those in Whitehorse to get to YEG now these days!)

Vancouver - Terrace

As far as RJ's are concerened, we know that's not in WJ's plans at all. AC183 might be right about seat-mile costs for RJ's.

While 737-700s are the prime new a/c of choice for WJ's shopping list, there is a chance it'll look at ordering a few 737-600s, or converting some of its existing orders to 737-600s. Why? For smaller markets, of course. I think WJ will have to be really careful at going to smaller places where demand is not as high as, say Fort McMurray - Edmonton, although WJ is still in a high growth mode. If memory serves, WJ's even already cut Regina - Winnipeg due to poor loads, so I'll not be surprised if YAM goes the same way as YQR-YWG.

I'm not even sure if Canada 3000 will ever start up a regional carrier with RJs. In fact, I doubt it. With the AC pilots scope clause in place, and no other Canadian carrier willing start up regional subsidiaries, I believe that RJ's are going to be a rare sight in Canada for years to come.

BTW, I just got off a WJ flight from YEG to Grande Prairie - and loads are still at least 95% full as usual!
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 12:38 pm

Great route forecasting McDougal et al!

Don't forget transborder opportunities. I see the following as immediate possibilities:

Hamilton -- Chicago Midway
Hamilton -- Baltimore/Washington
Vancouver -- Orange County (or Ontario)
Vancouver -- San Diego (CAIL failed at this rte).
Vancouver -- San Jose (another failed CAIL route).
Vancouver -- Reno NV
Calgary -- Orange County




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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 1:21 pm

Thanks to all those who provided feedback.


Samurai 777 wrote: "If memory serves, WJ's even already cut Regina - Winnipeg due to poor loads, so I'll not be surprised if YAM goes the same way as YQR-YWG."

Again, there always is the possibility that YWG-YQR could be restored. It's not uncommon for people to make the seven-hour drive between the two cities, and at about 31,000 passengers flying between these destinations per year in 1996-97, it was getting heavier traffic than the roughly 24,000 per year flying between Winnipeg and Thompson. So it is a natural market for Westjet, but needs to be better scheduled. (As mentioned above, the single daily YWG-YQR flight departed most days at something like 10 p.m., a time of day when a lot of people are more interested in winding down before going to bed than boarding a flight. To their credit, that's still better than Canjet's former 3 a.m. flight to Toronto.)

As for YWG-YAM, I still can't figure out the logic behind that route, especially when the 1996-97 StatsCan O & D report showed more than 70,000 passengers a year between the Sault and the Toronto area. I also expect it to have a short life.

AC183 wrote: "Interesting stats, McDougald, thanks. Were they online (I can't seem to find them...)"

You'll have to get them from a public or university library. The latest Winnipeg Centennial has in their StatsCan collection are the 1997 domestic (51-204) and transborder (51-205) reports, so either StatsCan has discontinued the series or the library isn't ordering them anymore.
 
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RE: Westjet Adds Cities

Sat Oct 06, 2001 1:22 pm

I argree with you 100%. This route will boost Tourism in the region. I think that This will also be good for Winnipeg as well because this is the first time in the history of direct flights to Winnipeg that Sault Ste marie is a direct link. I think Westjet is trying to use Winnipeg as a feeding hub to connect onto flights to YYC and out west. Westjet also is doing Thompsaon which I know will be very good in terms of pax. Also on a another note West jet will expand flights to Hamilton to 4 flights a day. the new departure flight be at 2:10pm during YWG's rush hour period.

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YAM-YWG

Sat Oct 06, 2001 1:45 pm

Don't forget that there could also be several hundred YAM-YWG passengers each year flying on Bearskin via YQT. Bearskin's passenger totals are not counted in Stats Canada's annual figures because their total passenger volume is under 300,000/year. For example, Statistics Canada list YOW-YYB as carrying only 710 pax a year, even though JV has 2 nonstop flights a day on that route. When you factor in their totals, the O&D total is more like 5,000/year.

Also, there is also the effect of creating new traffic, when a new route is launched. This has the potential to increase O&D traffic significantly.

As long as the flight is timed well to allow for good onward connections to YYC, where further connections to YVR, YYJ and YEG are possible, then the route should work out well. WJ is probably has plans to eventually extend the route to YHM or maybe even YOW. YOW would make sense, since if I remember correctly, YAM-YOW has about 5,000 O&D pax a year. (probably more like 8 or 9,000 when JV is factored in)

Any O&D totals for routes like YAM-YYC, YAM-YEG or YAM-YVR?
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2001 2:01 pm

Actually, from the early '70's, Transair and later Nordair used to fly YYZ-YAM-YQT-YWG using 732's. So YAM has had direct flights to YWG before.

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RE: YAM-YWG

Sun Oct 07, 2001 3:34 am

My point exactly. ND did it in the 80s, why can't WestJet in the 21st century?

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