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Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:45 am

I never flew on them but I'd like to actually...as only a few number of airlines operate them.SIA operated them before, but only to very very few destinations and were not majors.So anybody had the experience?When you were travelling on the Combi's, Was the feeling just like normal travelling on normal B747's or slightly different?Because the capacity would be much much smaller.And which airline were you on, Asiana, SIA etc?Very Very Curious!!

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:46 am

CURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for my spelling mistake.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:47 am

I been on Air China's B 747-400 Combi. Nothing special though
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:48 am

Nothing special....just a solid bulkhead in the rear.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:49 am

Yeah, I've flown on an AC 747-200BCombi a couple of times. They currently in storage. Nothing special like United Airline said. Just a smaller pax load (but with the uncomfortable 3-4-3 in economy).

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:54 am

I have flown on a 743 Combi. The airline was KLM and I can tell you that it was strange to be in one if the last rows although I was almsot over the wing. Sadly it was a nightflight (and I'm beennig very tired) so I didn't explore the aircraft although I had planed do do so. I still think that i missed a golden oportunety (exploring a 747-200SUD M would have been so cool).

The bad ting is tha KLM was cramped, and that you can't sit in the real back of the a/c.

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Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:02 am


I flew on once one of the 2 Airbusses A310 of Martinair, one of which was a combi with a big cargodoor after the 1st passenger door. On this particular flight it was fitted with a total passenger interior, but the door was still visible inside.
I imagine that when Martinair used it as a combi they would have the passengers sitting in the rear and the cargo in front, strange idea
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:06 am

Doesn't having all the freight in the back and pax in the front mean its back heavy??
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:19 am

KLM 743 Combi AMS-JFK. Nothing special.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:30 am

Did fly on LH combi ages ago the Economy class starts from door two to door four, right behind the galley should be the cargo area. Other than a smaller EY cabin, nothing special..
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:41 am

nothing special, except for less capacity which makes you sweat when flying stand-by!!!!!!
i´ve been on Lufthansa´s 747-200combis in ´93 on the FRA-DFW-IAH run and in ´95 to BOG via CCS, however, all combis have been converted to full-pax.

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:47 am

Malaysian 747-400 Combi : Feels smaller than a regular 747. I prefer flying on a standard 747 because you have more room for walking around.
 
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Curious - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:08 am

Well yeh i think the original one would be better but Combi means fewer passengers!thanx for the replies anyways!

But here's the real problem.Just like 777kickass mentioned the weight problem, obviously if cargo was loaded first onto the plane, then wouldn't that mean the tail part would be much much heavier?Because usually when you check-in, staff would offer you a seat that's near to the front first, to allocate the weight, especially on the B747's.But for the Combi's, it'd be a different story, and if there was only cargo loaded with no passengers, it'd be quite unbalanced i should say. (Correct Me If I Am Wrong).

So the question is...is the structure of the Combi not the same as ordinary 747's?And does that mean they board passengers first and the load the cargo but unload the cargo first when arrived then unload the passengers or it doesn't matter?Also does that mean the flight should be almost full, then you can operate the combi with cargos or if just operate with cargos but no passengers...would the problem i assumed appear?Because I still think that the plane would be really unbalanced, but strange that never heard of a Combi with it's tail on the ground and nose heading towards the sky, when some freighters and passenger planes had already occured in such kind of incidents!Maybe they should change the other way round, cargo in front, passengers at the back HaHa! (Revolution for First Class - At the Middle Part Or Tail of plane!)
Quite tough question I know, but very curious to find that out...hope some experts or anyone knows how to explain could reply me!Thanx!

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:31 am

I have flown the Combi on Garuda, KLM, Sabena
and Swissair, and worked the Garuda Combi for years.
Its interesting to see a 747 cabin go only part way
back. There is no difference the way the plane flies.
As to the cargo on the Maindeck, there are 2 ways you
can load the plane without problems. The first would
be with a portable tail stand that attaches to the
aircraft under the tail by the APU. This allows the
plane to remain level at all times. If a tailstand is not
available, you would offload the maindeck cargo
first then the lower deck forward cargo hold, and for
the departure it would be the reverse. You would load the forward cargo hold first, then the maindeck. You would want to ensure you had some heavy pallets in
the forward hold to help with the CG and weight and
balance. The Combi is a beautiful aircraft from the main deck, as when the Cargo door opens you have a great view. The Maindeck cargo door can be opened either
from the inside, via a toggle switch, or on a panel
outside the fuselage under a small metal door. This
panel can only be accessed from the outside by someone on a Maindeck Cargo Loader.
Hope this helps....
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:35 am

Yeah this helps very very much!And very detailed too!
Thank You Very Much For Your Assistance!Obviously you really did work in Garuda Combi before!

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:53 am

I've flown on AC Combi 742s a few times, and there is no difference that the passenger can recognize other than a shorter cabin.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 5:03 am

Flew Asiana ICN-LAX in april, I was on the upper deck and went for a walk downstairs, you can really tell the difference on how smaller the economy cabin is than in regulars 747-400. Apart form the different configuration in UA 747-400 which are the only one's I had been on before OZ everything else was the same.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 7:22 am

Hi

Good question.

I flew Manchester-Karachi with PIA on 747-200 combi and the flight was a enjoyable one.

Probably the fact that it was my first flight on a 747 and that too on a combi. My return flight was on a full capacity 747-300.

After flying on both aircraft types, I can say that the combi has a longer take-off run. Probably due to the heavy weight of the cargo in the back half.

When you look towards the bottom of the cabin, you think to yourself "where is the other half ?

Other than this, there is no real difference.


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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 7:34 am

I flew LAX-MXP-FCO-MXP-LAX aboard an AZ 747-200 combi back in 1990. The feeling is indeed a bit strange as the interior is, of course, smaller than a regular 747. Part of the strangeness emanates from the fact that the wing ends at about the point that the passenger cabin ends thus providing one with the false feeling that the wing is affixed at the very rear of the aircraft.
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 7:36 am

I flew on a Qantas 747-200B Combi back in 1994 from SYD to NAN then onto HNL and LAX (route since dropped).

I remember it being a particularly poorly maintained aircraft with ripped carpet, old seating etc. Certainly not among my best flights.

Other than that, as everyone else has said, it ain't anything special!
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 7:41 am

I've flown on many KLM 747-300 and 747-400 combi's. Nothing special. It flies like a regular 747.
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 7:43 am

heh.. i was flying TAAG Angola Airlines 747-300 Combi last week LAD-CDG. not my first ride on 747 combi, but anyway - there is really nothing special, excluding bulkhead and small pax capacity.
 
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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 9:12 am

At the risk of repeating everyone else, yup, I've flown an Air France 744 combi from EWR-CDG earlier this year. I was sitting in Tempo (economy) just behind Class d'Affaires, so at first I wasn't aware, but later in the flight when I used the lavatory I was rather surprised to see the economy cabin stopping so soon in the aircraft, with a large galley in the back, just behind the wing. At CDG instead of a gate we got bussed in from a remote stand on 'moving lounges', IAD-style, don't know if that's more common for a combi than a full-passenger jet. As I was waiting to deplane, another bus pulled up to the 2R door and knocked - they were looking for a few passengers with very tight connections. Otherwise, a very comfortable flight with friendly service (always feel especially lucky for that on AF).

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 10:07 am

HaHa!That means most of you guys never thought of travelling on a combi and would probably find out that it was a combi during the flight?Or any of you would take a look at the Reg. Number?

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 10:32 am

I flew on a Swissair B747-300 Combi back in 1994. We were travelling Economy class and because I was young at that time, they put I and my family on the top deck, which was still Economy! It was really fun.!

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RE: Curios - Anybody Here Ever Flown On A B747 Combi

Mon Oct 08, 2001 11:45 am

BA uses a combi on one of the JFK-LHR flights. I didnt figure it out until yesterday. Every once in awhile I had someone requesting seats on that flight and the seatmap showed 87 World Traveller seats.

Low and behold the equipment was 74F. I didnt even know we operated these. You learn something new every day.