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LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 3:12 am

According to some rumours here in MUC and finally according to LHs Infoflyway (www.lufthansa.de) Lufthansa will introduce a new route from MUC to Shanghai-Pudong (PVG) in January 2002 (probably the 16th) and increase the frequency on their Munich to Hongkong (HKG) route.

MUC-PVG (prob. from 2002-01-16)
new route
dep. MUC Mo, We, Fr 15:20
arr. MUC Tu, Th, Sa 17:00
operated by A343


MUC-HKG (prob. from 2002-01-01)
increased frequency from three weekly to daily
dep. MUC daily 20:40
arr. MUC daily 05:10
operated by A343


All the other longrange routes are unaffected so far. For the moment LH is going to serve EWR and ORD daily, GRU, LAX, SFO and SIN trice weekly during the winter timetable season (until end of March 2002). Hopefully there won´t be any further cuts in their transatlantic schedule, by now they only decreased frqu. to LAX from planned daily to trice weekly.

With the new flights LH will now offer 16 additional weekly flights ex MUC compared with the last winter season.

Some good news after the bad announcements during the last week (MH, SW leaving MUC and NG suspending flights).

Beside the longhaul expansion, LH will also increase frequency to serveral european destinations. Even in the current bad time for aviation industrie, LH continues to build up their second hub in MUC.

Munich Airport Authority (FMG) had published the latest trafffic results: In Sep 2001 pax traffic decreased by 3.6% (compared with Sept 2000), due to the decrease in traffic to North America (down 26%). The year-to-date result (Jan-Sep 2001) still shows an increase by 6% to 18.6 million pax.
In comparsion, at Heathrow LHR pax traffic fell 13% in Sep 2001, while Gatwick LGW reported a decrease by 6%. Sad figures.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 3:50 am

D-AIFB, where on the LH infoflyway did you find this info, i couldn´t find anything in the presslounge.
Regards Rickster
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 4:00 am

They didn´t make an announcement yet. So you can´t find anything in the press lounge.

Just go to the timetable section and search for the respective flights (flights to PVG will start 2002-01-16 and frqu. to HKG will be increased not before 2002-01-01). Of course you can also use amadeus.net, the flights are already opened for booking.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 4:18 am

aha...i´ve found it in the reservationsystem LH 727, Shanghai/MUC nonstop etc.... interesting LH strategie once again.
Thanx Rickster
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:46 am

that would be so nice!!!
it´s so nice to see that at least some capacities and flights and networks are increased and that there´s not soleley the shrinking of workforces and fleets and whatsoever!!!

rgds
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:51 am

Good to see that those cut North-America flights don´t seem to be accompanied by the sale of airplanes...
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:55 am

according to infoflyway, MUC-PVG will start with three services a week and MUC-HKG will increase to daily service.
however, there´s something strange but that might be a computer glitch.
if you enter departure airport ´MUC´ the schedule to PVG shows you that there´s one stop enroute, and that is in MUC!!!

rgds
daniel
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:14 am

These onestops are bus services from Augsburg (AGB) to MUC. The buses are operating with LH flight numbers, to show the connection in the CRS.

Augsburg (city 60km west of Munich) is included in the so called "pseudo city code" of Munich MUC. So if you enter MUC in any reservation system, it will show you all flights ex MUC and AGB. The same you have with FRA for FRA and HHN or MIL for MXP, LIN and BGY or NYC for all New York City airports.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 2:11 pm

This is a really interesting thing here. Not only because of a couple of days ago in some media stories here OS announced somehow to strenghen their operations (especially Lauda Air) on long hault routes into Asia.
Servus aus Wien, Rickster
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 2:33 pm

Very good. I still need to see some of those A343's of LH.

Any airline with a brain would start to increase service in Asia while the USA market goes down.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 3:09 pm

In the Asian crisis of 1998, airlines switched capacity to Atlantic from Asia, leading to too much capacity and fare war.

Looks like the same happening in reverse. Virgin have also upgraded HKG to a B744.

 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 5:56 pm

That's not a surprise for me, cause if we look at the aviation scenario in Middle-south Europe we have this situation:

- Swissair crisis and flights reduction = Zurich will become a regional hub.
- Alitalia flights reduction out of MXP = some important routes from a rich area without direct flights.
- Austrian airlines flights reduction out of Vienna = less competition from a close airport (even if OS is Star member).

So there are a too high flights reduction in the area compared to the loss of pax of the aviation market.
That's mean some poeple need to fly and MUC hub could take a good advantage.
LH has a great fedeer service to the MUC hub from the area.

 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Tue Oct 09, 2001 9:49 pm

Really very good news for both LH and MUC. I have checked travelocity (Saabre) system, they have the flights also.
However, LH still 'denies' that. Strage costumer relationship policy....

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Update! JNB Will Be Additional New Destination

Wed Oct 10, 2001 3:29 am

It´s a little bit unbelievable what´s going on here ... just found out (after hearing and reading rumours about this), that Lufthansa will introduce another longhaul destination ex MUC.

Beside Shanghai, LH will introduce Johannesburg JNB with three weekly flights at first. Source is a again the timetable section of www.lufthansa.com. This time the new route isn´t bookable in the CRS right now.

MUC-JNB
I´m not sure about the start of the new flights, but it should be end of Nov 01 or early Dec 01. The online timetable is a bit confusing.
new route
LH 574 dep MUC Di, Do, Sa 20:40
LH 575 arr MUC Do, Sa, Di 06:00
operated by A340-300


LH seems to work hard on the new revised winter timetable. The above route was definitly not listed in the online timetable yesterday. Also the start of the daily rotation to HKG is pushed forward to early December, yesterday it was scheduled to start in Jan02. So, i guess, we can expect further changes within the next days. Here in MUC there are some more rumours about the Sao Paulo GRU - service going daily (from now trice weekly), but at least at this moment, that´s still a rumour, perhaps tomorrow it´s reality ...
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:03 am

this is REALLY interesting. and perhaps the fact that these changes and flights seem to be changed daily, may be the reason why there hasn´t been an official word yet. it seems that nothing is written in stone, at least for the time being.

the PVG service makes sense, and the HKG going on daily also was expected to happen sooner or later.
but it is a real surprise to me that LH contemplates serving MUC-GRU daily, a market which decreased this summer, and that LH will offer MUC-JNB services. so many european airlines have cancelled their respective JNB-flights because they couldn´t turn a profit and now during these times LH comes up with such a new route.
given the fact that HKG goes daily, i would have expected the same for SIN as well.

but it´s nice to see that LH seems to have found a place where they can put some capacity since reducing it heavily on the north-atlantic sector. still, it´s 28 planes that LH is phasing out, at least temporarily, but it seems there are no A340s among them  Wink/being sarcastic gladly so!!!

rgds
daniel
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:41 am

I have been able confirm the MUC-JNB flights on BOTH amadeus and Saabre.

I smell something fishy there: Usually LH annouces new flights months in advance, so what on earth is goin on here?

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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 6:06 am

If Lauda does not re-start thier MIA-MUC services (suppose to re-start by April), I can guarantee you MIA-MUC will be on LH's timetable next summer (3x weekly summer; daily winter would work very well).
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 6:42 am

So what about Tokyo? Does anyone think they will add flights to NRT from MUC this winter? There has been a lot of speculation about a possible link between MUC and Japan, I think someone said it was supposed to happen as soon as Narita opens its new runway.

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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 8:23 am

GRU isn´t daily in the schedules yet. We´ll see soon, if that will happen. HKG and PVG are expected improvements, while JNB is indeed a surprise. I also expect SIN to go daily soon, perhaps in summer - and there´s still the rumour about SQ stepping in next summer with their own pax service. Twice weekly B744F frighter service SIN-MAA-MUC(-JFK?) will start end of Oct.

First plans for this winter season showed 8 A343 based in MUC for the longhaul operation. Now there should be at least 10 a/c based here. Nice move!

LH is obviously going to boost the planned expansion in MUC now. For me, not the expansion itself, but the time is really surprising. I´m looking forward to the speculations and rumours for the summer timetable. It´ll be interesting to see the development during the upcoming months. Instead of opening for example BOS as a new US destination, i see them adding new and addtitional flights to other markets now (e.g. NRT, PEK as new dest. and increased service to SIN, GRU), unless the transatlantic market makes a turnaround soon.


Tokyo NRT

LH will get new slots in NRT when the new runway there is opened. They can increase weekly flights from 10 to 14 then.

LH made a very interesting schedule time and a/c change with its LH714 FRA-NRT service (that´s the trice weekly service now, which is going also daily after May02), when NRT´s new runway will open.

LH 714 / FRA-NRT
until May02 dep FRA 17:40, arr FRA 18:40
from Jun02 dep FRA 15:20, arr FRA 17:00

LH 710 / FRA-NRT (the daily "main" service)
dep FRA 13:55, arr FRA 14:45
times remain nearly unchanged

On the one hand, as you can see, from Jun02 the departure time in FRA between the two flights, 710 and 714, only differs about 1h25min - very little difference for two intercontinental flights to the same destination. It´s nearly the same with arrival times in FRA. This move makes no sense for their FRA schedule, this new arr/dep-times don´t fit to their peaks in FRA anymore.

On the other hand, the "new" dep and arr times would exactly fit in LH´s arrival and departure banks at their MUC hub. For your notice, the new PVG service has got the same arr und dep times (15:20 dep, 17:00 arr).

Finally the a/c used for LH714 will change from B744 to A343 in summer, while for LH710 still a B744 will be used. So LH714 could be operated independant from FRA with the MUC based A343, while a B744 on this route would mean a connected service with FRA, as no 744 are based in MUC.

So you know what i mean, in my opinion LH could have prepared LH714 for a move from FRA to MUC. With the four additional slots, they are able to offer a second daily service from Germany to NRT, this time perhaps with MUC as gateway. Don´t know, perhaps i´m dreaming, but LH made some interesting changes concerning the NRT route next summer.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:21 pm

Here is the Miami/MUC again (march 10, 2002):
11:40 16:30 LH6498 0 MUC - MIA
5 times per week

If this all happens what the infoflyway says...well that really will "boost" MUC. But not surprising now that MXP, ZRH, VIE are suspending and cutting down flights.

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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:28 pm

As we go on speculating and wondering about LH's policy, here are some bad news:

According to my info, SQ has decided not to start thier SIN-MUC Cargo service due to the downturn in world economy. Does anyone have for info on that?

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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Wed Oct 10, 2001 6:08 pm

MIA
Unfortunately, that does not mean, MUC-MIA ist back. LH just hasn´t removed LH6498 (that´s the codeshare on NG31/32 MUC-MIA) from their online sked yet. If you change the selected airline to Lauda Air or Austrian, there won´t be any flights.

SQ
According to justplanes.com (yesterdays newsedition 2001/10/9) SQ will finally start the B744F the 30th of Oct. They intended to start in Aug or Sep 01, but then delayed it until the winter sked.
 
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NRT

Thu Oct 11, 2001 1:11 am

Hello,

There are some very interesting developments around the Lufthansa MUC hub.

So, what aircraft is Lufthansa going to operate on flight LH710 and LH714 (FRA-NRT) please?


Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Thu Oct 11, 2001 7:38 am

Since many years now, also during this winter schedule all flights from FRA to NRT (LH710/LH714) will be operated by B744.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Fri Oct 12, 2001 12:14 am

I happend to be at the airport this morning, and I had a look in LH's so-called 'just printed' hardcopy timetables. None of the flights have been listed there (of course). What is a little strange, non of the LH employees knew about it either, weird....


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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Fri Oct 12, 2001 1:31 am

Try www.amadeus.net.
All flights are bookable for travel agencies.
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:53 am

Does LH consider opening routes to India from MUC?
Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
 
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Fri Oct 12, 2001 5:52 am

afaik, LH has confirmed that routes from MUC to india are likely within the next years.
however, that depends on the allocation of frequencies, and that´s the problem because the indian authorities are rather restrictive.
however, this year LH was granted 3 additional flights which it prompty used for its new FRA-BLR service.

i´m not sure when, but either in spring of 2002 or in 2003 LH will receive some additional 3-4 flights and who knows, they might be used for flights from MUC...

greetings
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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Fri Oct 12, 2001 3:22 pm

As far as I am informed, LH will be given 4 additional weekly slots to India in March 2002, and there were rumors that they will be used for a MUC-DEL service, but these were pre-Sep 11, plans, so who knows.....
However, according to LH they would easily be able to fill twice a many seats as they may operate.

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RE: LH To Open New L/H Route Ex MUC

Fri Oct 12, 2001 3:38 pm

OK, finally we get at least something official:

Lufthansa increases flights to Southern Africa
Effective 1st December 2001, Lufthansa has introduced 3 additional weekly flights. The new flight Lufthansa LH 574 departs Munich on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays at 20h40 arriving the following day in Johannesburg at 08h05. Flight LH 575 departs Johannesburg at 20h30 on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays arriving the next day at 06h00 in Munich.

Presently Lufthansa offers daily flights between Southern Africa and Germany with its daily schedule departing Cape Town via Johannesburg continuing non-stop to Frankfurt using the Boeing B747-400. By adding 3 further Airbus A340 flights on the route, this effectively means a seat capacity increase of almost 30 percent

In addition, Lufthansa has obtained authorisation to carry passengers from Cape Town to Johannesburg on their own flight and to then transfer clients at Johannesburg International onto the Munich bound aircraft. Any passenger presently booked on a flight via Frankfurt to Munich can rebook onto the direct Johannesburg - Munich flight without incurring any additional costs. Furthermore, passengers can change their date of departure if the date presently booked is not on a day Lufthansa operates non-stop to Munich.

"Traditionally, December to March is Lufthansa's high season, which means that you should book now to secure your seats."

source: http://www.lufthansa.co.za
still no info on the press counter at http://www.lufthansa.com

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