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Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:03 am

A man tried to enter the cockpit of American Airlines Flight #1238. Passengers were able to subdue the man. The plane was operating from LAX-ORD. The plane has landed in ORD, with a fighter escort. MSNBC reports that this is most likely a case of terrorism. Equipment is a 767.

More to come.....


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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:12 am

Any other sources reporting it yet. Its likely that now after the crashes some, even not Osama Bin Laden trained persons, try to crash airliners...

Curios what happend.

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:12 am

According to MSNBC, the FBI is now on the plane and interviewing the passengers. The father of the "suspect" said that his son has had problems recently. The plane was a 767-300.
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:14 am

Robert Hager of NBC News has said that AA said that this wasn't an act of terrorism.
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:16 am

let me see if i have all the details:

AA1238 LAX-ORD
"Man" actually teen/young adult tried to enter cockpit
Had mental problems (?)
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:18 am

According to my sister, Chicago TV says it was a retarded kid trying to go see the cockpit.

(There are three of these topics on the board right now. What's up with that?)
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:24 am

That's against the law, it was already against the law before Sept 11 2001. That guy should be prosecuted. I consider this as a felony. Isn't American reinforcing cockpit doors? I hope they do. There should be a three or four digit code to make when opening the cockpit door. That secret number would change regularly, no passenger would know that code of course. Only pilots, mechanics and flight attendants would know it.
The aircraft involved is a 767-300.

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:24 am

This thread seems to be the first......



From WLS Ch. 7 Chicago:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/100801_ns_americanairlines.html

Passenger attempts to storm cockpit
Fighter pilots flock to plane's side


October 8, 2001 — A passenger tried to enter the cockpit of American Airlines flight 1238 from Los Angeles to Chicago. Military jets raced to its side. The plane landed safely at O'Hare Airport.
ABC7 News Video

Two F-16s scrambled to the plane, creating a sonic boom as they broke sound barrier. Some of the northwest suburbs heard that noise, which sounded like two large explosions.
"I heard a huge, gigantic boom," said Sherry, who lives in Barrington and was obviously shaken by the noise.

"I had no idea what I was supposed to do with six kids," she said, her voice shaking.

The pilot called in a passenger disturbance when someone began banging on the 767's cockpit door. Airline officials now say that the passenger is a young man who is mentally disabled. Officials say the young man apparently just wanted to go inside the cockpit since he had been allowed inside another plane's cockpit before.

The FBI says it is possible that no charges will be filed in the case.

The F-16s escorted the plane into the airport.

Last Updated: Oct 8, 2001


 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:28 am



Watching the video on the page, I guess the sonic boombs scared the piss out of people in the NW suburbs. Any of our members hear it?
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:49 am

I feel bad and good at the same time.

Bad that it was a mentally retarded kid (although where was the Dad as he wandered forward?)

Bad that there's some shaken people involved...with people on edge, a sonic boom could be a bit nervewracking.

But Good that the fighters are up there. Everything that was supposed to happen did. And the pros in the cockpit of the Falcons obviously didn't shoot first and ask questions later. Well done and lessons learned.
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:13 am

People walking into the cockpit is not uncommon, infact it happens more then you believe. It used to be that the crew would tell them to go back into the cabin (and they would) however I think right now you will get beat up if not killed by the pax!
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:20 am

I shouldn't admit this... and I know I'm going to get shit for this but I can't help it...


I find this kind of humorous. I mean, I was mentally picturing the whole thing and it just struck me as funny. A retarded kid knocks on a cockpit door, two F-16's come whooshing to the aid of what they think is a highjacked plane, and suburban housewives get the shit scared out of them. Weird, sad, but also somewhat humorous.
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:24 am

Dude you're right..it is kind of funny. We really need to lighten up, life goes on.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And yeah, they're building our condo in Hell for laughing at it... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:31 am

I think it's funny. Laugh out loud But I am also pleased that we are able to scramble planes so fast if there is a real emergency. Before it took us about 15 minutes to just get planes in the air, now a retarded kid can have them beside a plane in just minutes. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:47 am

Dude, what if it is someone from airliners.net mad because of no more jumpseating. HAHA.
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:56 am

I just realized I spelled "hijack" wrong. That's funny too.


Heavymetal:

Well, now that the condo is being built, they might as well add a sauna for what I'm about to say...

Picture the interview with the "terrorist" retarded kid:

FBI: "Whom are you working for?"

Kid: "Can I give you hug?"

FBI: "We know you must be an associate of Bin Laden"

Kid: "BEEN LAHthoon... BEEN LAYthoon... he he he.... (starts singing) BEEN LAHHdoonnnn"

FBI: "OK enough of this!! If you don't tell us what you know, we can make things VERY difficult for you"

Kid: "I like lollipops"
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 8:06 am

Here's an article from MSNBC.com on this:

BUSH PRESIDED over the swearing-in of Ridge as head of the new Office of Homeland Security at a White House ceremony. Ridge, who resigned as governor of Pennsylvania a few days ago, said he took the job fully realizing that “the size and scope of this challenge are immense.”
He said his new job was to “detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks — an extraordinary mission, but we will carry it out.”
Bush promised that civil liberties would not fall victim to new security. “We will defend our country, and while we do so we will not sacrifice the freedoms that make our land unique,” he said.

JUSTICE SUBS FOR CHENEY
Vice President Dick Cheney had been scheduled to administer the oath to Ridge, but Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas stood in for Cheney, who was being kept away from the White House at a secure location for security reasons.
To demonstrate that Ridge will have his ear, Bush gave him a West Wing office just a few paces from his own. His instructions to his new Cabinet-level officer, who attended his first senior staff briefing Monday, was to develop a “coordinated, integrated, national strategy to combat terrorism,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
Ridge will have a staff of nearly 100 people, most of them currently working for the White House or other agencies, and a dozen employees of his own. He will report directly to the president, McClellan said.
Critics have questioned how much clout Ridge will have. Although Bush named him to his Cabinet, Ridge is not one of the 14 Cabinet members installed under federal law, each with his own budget and authority. Each president may designate any number of other top advisers as “Cabinet level,” and that is what Bush did with Ridge.
McClellan said Ridge would have “significant input into the budgets of agencies involved in homeland security,” although his own budget would be part of the White House’s. “Governor Ridge will have all the authority he needs to get things done,” he added.

TACKLING DOMESTIC TERRORISM
One of Ridge’s challenges will be to foster better communication and cooperation between the FBI and the CIA. Decades of rivalry between the agencies led the Clinton administration in 1995 to order a new shared role between the two agencies’ counterterrorism efforts, but full cooperation has yet to be achieved.
A Homeland Security Council consisting of Bush, Cheney, Ridge and various agency heads will tackle domestic terrorism, much as the National Security Council advises the president on international affairs.
As the nation went to battle, the administration sought to heighten Americans’ awareness of possible terrorist retaliation, without alarming them.
“The American people need to be alert — threats do remain,” White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said. “This is a war.”
At the same time, administration officials sought to project an air of normalcy. Bush planned Monday to celebrate Columbus Day at the side of singer Liza Minnelli. But such snapshots of normal life were belied by a nationwide alert imposed Sunday amid fears of another terrorist attack in the United States.
Attorney General John Ashcroft said Monday that the Justice Department had alerted 18,000 law enforcement agencies and 27,000 corporate security managers to take “strong precautions and other appropriate steps to protect the American people while we win this war.”
He also said the Immigration and Naturalization Service had increased border security.
Sunday, U.S. military aircraft patrolled professional football games, landmark buildings were closed and Cheney was moved for a time to an undisclosed location as a security precaution.
Television’s Emmy Awards, postponed once because of the Sept. 11 attacks, were indefinitely postponed after the first day of strikes coincided with the telecast’s rescheduled date. Security fears were not a factor, according to organizers.
The State Department warned Sunday of the possibility of “strong anti-American sentiment and retaliatory actions against U.S. citizens and interests throughout the world.”

SECURITY IN ACTION
The state of alert was dramatically illustrated Monday afternoon when two U.S. military jets scrambled to escort an American Airlines jet on its approach to Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport after an altercation was reported on board.
Government sources told NBC News that the incident, in which a passenger tried to enter the cockpit of the Boeing 767 flying from Los Angeles, was the “act of a deranged person” and was not terrorist-related. The passenger was taken into custody after Flight 1238 landed at O’Hare, NBC’s Jim Avila reported from Chicago.
Two F-16 fighter-jets were dispatched to meet the jetliner as it approached Chicago, the Chicago Aviation Department told a local radio station, accelerating so rapidly that their sonic booms startled Chicagoans.
Emergency Medical Services Plan 1, the highest level of emergency preparations, was instituted at O’Hare, where five ambulances raced to the scene, local news organizations reported.
The F-16s turned out not to be needed, but NBC’s Robert Hager reported that their use served as a reminder that U.S. officials changed U.S. policy after the Sept. 11 attacks to allow military pilots to shoot down airliners if they posed a serious threat to civilians or domestic structures.


NATO TO PATROL U.S. SKIES
NATO officials said that at Washington’s request, the alliance would soon deploy AWACS surveillance planes to U.S. airspace to conduct anti-terrorist operations - an unprecedented use of foreign forces to safeguard domestic security. Meanwhile, cleanup crews at the shattered World Trade Center rejoiced at news of the U.S. strikes on Afghanistan and marchers at peace rallies worried and wept. And many Americans wondered uneasily what lies ahead.
“It’s about time,” Jimmy Morrison, working at the Trade Center site, said after learning of Sunday’s strikes. “They’re about three weeks late in my opinion.”
Less than two miles away, hundreds of people began a march through midtown Manhattan calling for peace.
“The people who are going to be hurting are not the people who started this,” said Stuart Rockefeller, one of the marchers.
Peace rallies took place in cities across the country, including Philadelphia, Boston, St. Louis and Los Angeles. About 300 people attended an anti-war rally in Seattle, some of them displaying U.S. flags and others holding a sign that read “Patriots for peace.”

NBC’s Virginia Cha, Pete Williams, Jim Maceda and Robert Hager; MSNBC’s Mike Brunker, Alex Johnson and Bobbi Nodell; and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 8:19 am

beat his ass.....mental or not..pax's took charge....thumbs up from me....
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 8:44 am

TWFirst, you're wrong in the head man.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 8:47 am

Where was the sky marshal??
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 8:59 am

He coulda been there, I heard somewhere that they wouldn't be revealed even after something happened, just walk off the plane nonchalant.

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 9:05 am

Bizarre!
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 9:11 am

When the US people are scared to fly and the President has said there will be more air marshals sure as hell he will be mentioned to gain confidence back in America!
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 10:57 am

The fact that the two F-16 aircraft got to the scene so quickly is reassuring. But I just want to know where the sky marshal was. Isn't there gonna be one on every flight or something?
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 11:46 am

TWFirst.

I have not laughed that hard in a long time.

I just had to add you to my list.

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:16 pm

Why would the Sky Marshal let himself be known just because a retarded kid was banging on the cockpit door?

 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:20 pm

The F-16's broke the sound barrier over my house. Very loud...very cool!!!
 
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:54 pm

The sky marshalls could of been one of the passengers who took down the kid. You know they donot want there identities leaked out!! So they would just act normal bout it!

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 1:35 pm

There may not have been a Marshall on THAT plane. They are not on ALL planes, just yet.

Nice going by the pax to get on top of the guy!!!!

I think all passengers have to board an aircraft knowing that they may have to do that to save their lives.

Some pax. saw the F16s off the wings as they got an escort in. I wonder if someone had sense enough to get out the Camera and take pics of this? I'd love to see it uploaded here!

Hey if i was on that plane I'd help the pax get the guy, first priority. Second, once the situation is under control, I'd whip out my camera & film, lock & load!

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 3:31 pm

Chalk up one more solid argument to reinforce cockpit doors and to keep them sealed during flight. Not just for terrorists, but for fruitloops like this.

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:28 pm

Cfalk......
You must be one dumb a**! You think this kid did this cause he wanted it!? He has a illness, and he was scared!
This was so far from a terrorist as you can come. No one was arrested for this incident, and that shows that there are people with harts, but I don't count you as one of them.
You chould go read a book, maybe you learn something.
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:50 pm

If a US marshal was on that he would have pulled out his weapon as soon as anythign happened. Also it would have created so much more confidence that the gov is actually doing something.
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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Tue Oct 09, 2001 11:56 pm

"Man" actually teen/young adult tried to enter cockpit

Actually, no. He was 31 years old.

Fighter jets intercept American Airlines Plane
Toubled passenger tried to get into cockpit.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/639964.asp

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RE: Man Tried To Enter Cockpit Of AA 1238

Wed Oct 10, 2001 12:02 am

Sudden,

I don't give a flying %&*&#°§@# if he was a terrorist, or retarded, ill, depressed, on drugs, drunk, or badly in need of a cigarette, or all of them at the same time! HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ENTER THE COCKPIT!!! Is that so hard for you to understand? Are you saying that just because he did not intend to cause a horrific accident makes it OK if he causes one?!?

Sheesh!

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