lxlgu
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New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Wed Oct 10, 2001 6:53 pm

Effective 01 Dec Lufthansa inauguarate direct flight
Munich Johannesburg Munich 4 times weekly with a
Airbus 340.Welcome addition to South Africa

Cheers!
Tony
 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:25 pm


Cool !
 
timmay
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Wed Oct 10, 2001 8:21 pm

That really is good news, the Tourism sector in SA are complaining this season with seat shortages on flights to and from Europe. With the local currency (ZAR) at an all time low, South Africa is very cheap for those with hard currencies !
 
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FRA-JNB

Thu Oct 11, 2001 3:55 am

Hello,

What kind of operations do they have on the FRA-JNB route please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Thu Oct 11, 2001 4:07 am

This is great news. I know many people who have been complaining that they cannot get flights to Europe, because every flight to anywhere in Europe is full. After many airlines (Austrian, Sabena, Alitalia) pulled out, it is no wonder. So this is a great addition.

Alain -

I know they use 744's to JNB and CPT. Not sure about the frequency, but I think it's daily. They also code share with SAA on the route.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic
 
vermeer
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:05 am

LH fies daily to Jo'burg with LH572 using a LH aircraft that is codeshared with SAA as SA7572 that rotates from JBG to CPT.
SAA flies with its own aircraft SA261 ( also on codeshare with LH as LH9860) departing from FRA only 15 minutes before the other flight.

Therefore we can say that LH flies twice a day to South Africa form FRA and now they have 4 more flights a week.

Usually LH flies with 744 and SAA with 743's having the 744 deployed on the North Atlantic routes
 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:19 am

Cool. Looks like LH is doing great. They have a huge intercontinental network which is getting bigger every day.

Tom
 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:29 am

I know that SA tried the MUC-JNB route some years ago, can anyone tell me what kind of operation they had on that route (frequency and equipment) and why and when they pulled it?

Rizzibird
 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Thu Oct 11, 2001 7:13 am

I don`t know exactly but as i remember it was JNB-MUC-DUS and DUS-MUC-JNB. The last time i saw SA at DUS (maybe `1995-`1997), they used a 747 SP.

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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Thu Oct 11, 2001 7:29 am

Actually the new service MUC-JNB will be served three times a week, not four times.

SA operated twice weekly mainly B743 from JNB to MUC with either a connecting service to CPH or to DUS. Sometimes they brought the B747SP. I can´t remember the excact date at the moment, but they pulled out of this market in the mid 90s in a phase of downturning traffic to south africa, albeit Southern Germany is a major source of passengers to South Africa. Also MUC had fewer conntecting possibilities at this time, because the LH MUC hub wasn´t as big as it is today. So altogether the flight wasn´t profitable at all. They concentrated their services at FRA and ZRH.

Recently there appeared rumours (from an SA official in Germany in an interview with the aviation magazine "Flugrevue") about a possible SA comeback in MUC in perhaps about two years.

 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Fri Oct 12, 2001 12:16 am

Guten Tag,

Indeed, South African Airways (SAA) chose to refocus on the FRA market instead. I imagine there were some high costs related to the operations of additional short legs (FRA-MUC, FRA-DUS).


Did they mention why they have such an interest in the MUC market (and LH in the JNB one)?
I know BMW A.G. has a factory in South Africa, and some Bavarian employees from München, Dingolfing, ... were proposed to work some time down there. But I really doubt this is enough to warrant the profitability of regular operations...

What is the schedule of the MUC-JNB-MUC flights?
What about the MUC-LHR-MUC?

That could potentially enlightus about the strategy of Lufthansa for this flight. When Austrian Airlines operated services on VIE-JNB, most of its customers where connecting on LHR flights, providing substantial revenue.


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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Fri Oct 12, 2001 1:53 am

Lufthansa used to come once a week in Dakar (GOOY).
A lot of Germans tourists come to Senegal for there vacation.

Does the company still have a flight to Dakar ?
 
lxlgu
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:25 am

LH 574 MUNICH/JOHANNESBURG
TUE/THU/SAT 2040/0805

LH 575 JOHANNESBURG/MUNICH
WED/FRI/SUN 2030/0600

Condor now fly once a week FRANKFURT DAKAR
with 757 on a charter basis

Cheers!
Tony
 
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Fri Oct 12, 2001 5:48 am

and i believe Lufthansa Cargo regularly visits DKR on its flights from FRA to VCP...

rgds
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RE: New Africa Route For Lufthansa

Sat Oct 13, 2001 10:02 pm

Airafrique,
I confirm that Lufthansa's charter subsidiary Condor visits DKR every Thursday evening inbound from FRA and I also saw a LH cargo MD-11 F when I arrived last Wednesday.

Regards,

F+ Rouge