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TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:02 am

As the topic states. I'd like to know what were the 747 routes out of JFK by these airlines. Had these airlines still be in biz today. I highly doubt 747s would be it but rather the more economical 757/767 maybe a A330/A340 or a 777. But anyways what were the 747 routes of these two airlines out of JFK in the 70s and 80s?

RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:57 am

SnapShot 1975-76 - Nonstop/Direct 747 flights to JFK via PA and TW

Amsterdam thru plane via PA
Athens nonstop via TW
Bangkok thru plane via P
Beruit thru plane via PA
Brussels thru plane via PA
Copenhagen nonstop via PA
Frankfurt nonstop via PA
Hong Kong thru plane via PA
Istanbul thru plane via PA
Karachi thru plane via PA
Las Vegas nonstop via TW
London nonstop via PA and TW
Los Angeles nonstop via TW
Madrid nonstop via TW
Malaga thru plane via TW
Munich thru plane via PA
Paris nonstop via TW
Philadelphia nonstop via PA (no local trfc)
Rio de Janeiro nonstop via PA
Rome nonstop via PA and TW
Sao Paulo thru plane via PA
San Francisco nonstop via TW
Santo Domingo nonstop via PA
Tehran thru plane via PA
Toyko nonstop via PA

Pan Am, at a later time, served Houston, Miami, Mexico City and the west coast with 747s
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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 4:23 am

Also add Riyadh and Singapore for Pan Am 747s Smile
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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 6:33 am


Here's what PA's 747 slate out of JFK looked like in January of 1988 (flight numbers, followed by route):

100/101: LAX-JFK-LHR
102/103: JFK-LHR  Crying

72/73: JFK-FRA
66/67: JFK-FRA-RIY-DEL (multiple variations here, including Bombay and Karachi, depending on the day)

17/18: JFK-HNL

81/82: JFK-LAX-HNL
91/92: ZRH-JFK-LAX

84/85: SFO-JFK-MXP

156/157: JFK-MAD

76/77: JFK-MUC

88/89: JFK-FRA-NBO

205/206: JFK-NAS (believe it or not, on every day, except Tuesday and Wednesday)

114/115: SFO-JFK-NCE

201/202: JFK-GIG-EZE-MVD

110/111: JFK-FCO

A small note: these are only the 747 segments of the flight numbers indicated. PA (as with some other airlines at the time) had this system of keeping flight numbers the same on a routing, even when aircraft types changed, so that the passenger would be routed from destination A to destination B on the same "flight". Seems like a pretty useless concept, as it really doesn't encourage people to fly from A to B when they have to change at point C in between. Anyway, this led to a bunch of really bizarre schedule listings, so I just omitted those segments that weren't 747 aircraft.
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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 6:35 am

Here are some first flights by Pan Am and TWA using 747s out of JFK, not all of them were non-stop.

Pan Am
London January 22, 1970
Taipei June 13, 1983

Athens September 15, 1971
Frankfurt January 6, 1971
Lisbon June 16, 1970
Madrid June 15, 1970
Paris April 12, 1970
Rome June 5, 1970
Tel Aviv September 15, 1971
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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 8:12 am

In the mid nineties(no exact dates), TWA flew nonstop to the following destinations from JFK, using a 747:

727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 10:38 am

The last time I flew TWA transatlantic, was to London Heathrow in June 1989 on TWA #700, the 7:55pm dep.
out of JFK. This flight was operated with a 747-100 as
was TWA 708, the earlier, 6:15pm flight to Heathrow.

These too were TWA's 747 flights out of JFK:

TW 804 Paris-CDG
TW 800 Paris-CDG
TW 840 Rome/Fiumicino
TW 842 Milan/Malpensa
TW 904 Madrid/Barajas
TW 740 Frankfurt
TW 880 Athens/Hellinikon
TW 884 Tel Aviv/Ben Gurion

TW 900 Lisbon (L1011)
TW 768 Brussels (L1011)
TW 814 Amsterdam (L1011)

Flights to Oslo and Copenhagen were operated with the Boeing 767-200.

There was, for a short while, a TWA flight to Bombay,
but I think it operated via another city, perhaps Cairo
and this was operated with 747-SP and then 747-100.

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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:18 pm

TWA actually operated a 747 to BOM! I thought it was an L-1011. I know BOM didn't work out along with their trans pac service because it didn't last no more than 6-8 years and it drianed them of much needed cash to strengthen their trans atlantic and their extensive domestic service.
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RE: TWA And PAN Am 747 Routes Out Of JFK

Fri Oct 12, 2001 8:52 pm

Pan Am's 747 NONSTOP destinations out of JFK of course varied by the decades:

JFK-LHR (70s, 80s, 90s)
JFK-FRA (70s, 80s, 90s)
JFK-CDG (late 80s, 90s; served by L15 in early 80s)
JFK-FCO (70s, 80s, 90s)
JFK-MXP (80s, 90s)
JFK-MAD (80s, 90s)
JFK-NCE (80s, then switched to A310)
JFK-SVO (late 80s, 90s)
JFK-MUC (80s, 90s, alternating with A310)
JFK-HAM (80s, then switched to A310)
JFK-ZRH (80s, 90s, alternating with A310)
JFK-SNN (80s, then switched to A310)
JFK-AMS (70s)
JFK-VIE (70s)
JFK-GIG (70s, 80s, 90s)
JFK-GRU (off and on, 80s, 90s)
JFK-EZE (off and on, 80s, 90s)
JFK-CCS (off and on, 80s 90s)
JFK-Dakar-ROB-Lagos-Nairobi (80s)
JFK-Abidjan/ROB-JNB (80s, 747SP)
JFK-Dhahran (80s, 747SP)
JFK-NRT (70s, 80s, 90s, 747SP)
JFK-SDQ (off and on, 80s, 90s)
JFK-SXM (off and on, 80s, 90s)
JFK-NAS (off and on, 80s, 90s)
JFK-SJU (70s)
Domestically - JFK-LAX, SFO, HNL, MIA, IAH

Other international destinations served nonstop out of JFK include (80s, 90s):
Europe: Helsinki, Stockholm, Oslo, Warsaw, Budapest, Zagreb, Lisbon, Barcelona, Berlin, Brussels, Amsterdam, Vienna all using A310s.
Central America / Carribbean: St. Thomas, St. Croix, Freeport, Barbados, Montego Bay, Kingston, Pointe-A-Pitre and Fort-de-France (only during a very short period in the early 80s) using A300s and 727s; Bermuda using 727s; MEX (A300s, A310s)

Hope this helps........

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