Ndebele
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German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 3:40 am

Hi everybody,

I just watched on BR Alpha (a german TV station) a repetition of a 25 years old news program, "Tagesschau" of 11Oct 1976. Helmut Schmidt (german "prime minister") travelled to London. The aircraft he took was a Luftwaffe (German Air Force) aircraft with the registration 11+02.

Can anybody help me waht type of aircraft that was?

Thanks in advance,
Ndebele.
 
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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 5:47 am

Was it a small jetliner, with an odd configuration of engines mounted on top of the wing?
If so, it was a VFW-614, an early regional jet that was a joint project between the German and Dutch aerospace industries.
They entered service in the mid 1970's, but few were built. It was hopelessly uneconomic to operate and expensive to buy and maintain.
The engines were the Anglo-Frence M45, a version of an original engine designed for the late 1960's AVFG, (Anglo French Variable Geometry), a combat aircraft rather similar to the later Tornado. The AVFG was cancelled at an early design stage in 1967.
The Luftwaffe brought 3 VFW-614s, and used them until a few years ago.
Alternatively, if it was a large executive jet with 4 rear-mounted engines, maybe one of the Lockheed Jetstars that I believe were operated by the Luftwaffe at that time.
This is off the top of my head, is there a picture of this aircraft in the photo section?
 
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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 7:13 am

Should have been a 707, will check tomorrow.

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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 7:54 am

Puzzles me. I think that the 707s were 10+xx and the 614s were 17+xx. What else can they have had?
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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 8:10 am

The first German 1102 was a Lockheed L-1329 Jetstar 8 c/n 5121. After it was sold to Egypt as SU-DAG, there was a second 1102: Tupolev Tu-154M c/n 89A-813, that was destroyed 13 sept. 1997 in a mid-air collision with a USAF C-141 Starlifter over the South Atlantic.

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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 4:12 pm

Yes, probably it was a JetStar - I know what a 707 looks like, and I've seen several VFWs, but I'm too young to know what a Jetstar looks like, we don't have these aircraft very often here in Europe any more.

Thanks for all your information!
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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 8:48 pm

The TU-154 was a leftover from Interflug.
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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 9:09 pm

The TU-154 was a leftover from Interflug.
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RE: German Air Force Question

Fri Oct 12, 2001 10:12 pm

This is what a Jetstar looks like:

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