ROSWELL41
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Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Sun Oct 14, 2001 8:10 am

So who is it: Delta, United, American, Continental, US Airways or Northwest? (Specifically to the UK)

Thanks,
Mike
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Sun Oct 14, 2001 8:15 am

I'd have to say it's US Airways, with A333 service from PHL, CLT, and PIT to LGW and PHL to MAN. Only US operator of the A330.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:58 am

How is the service on A330, I've never flown on one. Also what is the entertainment like, are there PTVs?
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:01 am

First: AA or UA

Business: Delta (BizElite)

Coach: AA

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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:08 am

The PTVs on the US A330s kick ass. The US A330s have PTVs in all classes.

The only other trans-Atlantic flight on a US carrier I've taken was on a NW DC-10 from DTW-LGW and this was due to a cancellation on one of my US connecting flights due to weather.

The service and food was good on NW and US but the PTVs and new equipment win me over to US.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:10 am

AA ORD-ZRH YUCK!

i'd fly CO definitely
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:14 am

United!

•First Suite
•Enhanced Business
•Economy Plus
•Good meals
•Nice flight attendants
•Great IFE
•767-300s, and 777-200s equiped with PTVs. On select routes, you can get a 744.
•United serves LHR from SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD, and BOS.
•Channel 9: Live Air Traffic Control
•Easy Info

So, give United a try. So many reasons to fly.

I L U V 7 6 7
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:36 am

US Airways!!!!!!!A330s are the best modern-widebody there is, and US is the only USA-based carrier with them. The food and service is great, as well!!

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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:40 am

American Airlines by far. Have to love the Flagship Suites (although they are not available on many routes, such as JFK-LHR, MIA-LHR, and MIA-EZE)! Plus, when it comes to flying coach, only AA has more room through out coach on every single aircraft, and PTVs on all 772s and A300-Is.
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:40 am

Definitely Northwest with the DC-10 747-200's and 747-400's
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:59 am

Definitely Continental with the Boeing 777. I'm a big fan of the 3 x 3 x 3 seating configuration, which can be found in Continental's triple-7 coach class. Continental also provides PTV's, an ample amount of legroom, and winged headrests at every seat. When I flew one of Continental's 777's between London Gatwick and Newark, we were served 2 beverage services, 1 lunch service, which was one of the best airline meals I've ever had, and a snack service consisting of a cold sub and side dish. All this was on a day flight. Then I can't say enough about Continental's flight attendants. They are definitely the most professional and friendliest I have ever seen.
I have also heard many good things about USAirways A330 transatlantic service, as well as Northwest's.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:07 am


Delta 777, can't beat the wide cabin.
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:10 am

I seem to be getting the sense that US Airways A330 wins out. Its ironic that they seem to have the cheapest fare to fly from my home airport. Is the difference just the airplane or is the actual entertainment and food and service that different from Delta or United. They're the only other two I'm considering.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:26 am

It's all about CO. PTV's in all of their longhaul aircraft. Nothing compares to Business First. BizElite, please. Fly the original first/business combination.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:13 pm

In business, I always choose Delta for their Business Elite which is by far the best in the market. For eco, they all suck anyway, so I'll advise to take a European carrier. The best seems to be Virgin otherwise take a Delta or Continental flight operated by Air France or a BA flight if you pay full fare to get their World Traveller Plus
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:18 pm

No US carrier is better than Europen carriers crossing the Atlantic.

The best would be :
Olympic Airways
KLM
Virgin
Air Ukraine
Iberia
Aeroflot
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:18 pm

Cba wrote:
It's all about CO. PTV's in all of their longhaul aircraft.

I'll be sure to think of that when Im looking at an LCD flip down screen next time im in coach on CO crossing the pond.

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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:23 pm

US Airways. The cabin configuration offers good economy class and first class space on the A330.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:53 pm

Well, I can only compare United and Delta and conclude that I´d rather prefer United (good overall service, wonderful airplanes) although both are great airlines.

Regards, Daniel
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:10 pm

The best service to the UK? Forget all the US carriers in coach... BA or Virgin any day. BMI should be pretty good too I would think, although I haven't tried it yet.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:30 pm

It was Braniff with The Great Pumpkin. Now I'd have to say AA's 777 service.
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:09 pm

BA.... The airline of the 52nd State.....  Big thumbs up
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ILUV767

Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:27 am

UA also offers service to LHR from EWR and JFK.

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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:53 am

I was going to post this over the weekend but was distracted by Yankees baseball games.

These are results of the 2001 Conde Nast Business Traveler Survey for Transatlantic Business Class Service/Cabin:

1. Virgin 71.9
2. SIA 71.4
3. CO 66.1
4. BA 56.6
5. UA 55.5
6. DL 53.7
7. SAir 52.3
8. KLM 51.6
9. AA 50.5
10. TWA 49.9

The 5 Transatlantic airlines in most need of improvement:

1. Aeroflot
2. Air Europa
3. EgyptAir
4. TAP
5. El Al

Remember, this is B-Class only. Here's some Transpacific data by ranking but no numbers since I have to get back to my day job:

SIA
CO
Cathay
Thai
QF
NZ
MAS
Hawaiian
DL
UA

5 worst

Air India
Air China
KAL
Phil
AC (???) hard to believe but they score 40.9 vs. UA at 49.8

For anyone interested, this is the October issue and also includes a large special on the 380 titled "Sexy Beast".

BTW, the Upper Class seats pictured from Virgin are the most astonishing I've ever seen. Absolutely beautiful styling all around.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:55 am

How is Delta's service transatlantic in economy from CVG-LGW? Specifically on their MD-11.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:17 am

Continental! How can you compete with 777s and 767-400s?
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:29 am

Delta serves the most transatlantic nonstop markets of any US carrier.

BusinessElite is an outstanding Business Class product.

Every airline has its particular market where it is stronger than the rest, and transatlantic markets are where Delta shines. We have two major European gateways. World's largest operator of that excellent transatlantic workhorse, the B767.

Delta Air Lines
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:06 am

Over the last 5 years, my job has taken me on about 25-30 roundtrip transatlantic crossings. Here is my resume:

Pairs Flown:
EWR-FCO
EWR-LGW
EWR-FRA
EWR-MXP
EWR-MAD
EWR-CDG
EWR-AMS
EWR-MAN
JFK-CDG
JFK-LHR
JFK-ARN
JFK-BCN
PHL-CDG
PHL-LGW

Airlines Flown:
CO (BusinessFirst/Coach)
AA (Business/Coach)
DL (BusinessElite/Coach)
AZ (Magnifica, Coach)
VS (Upper Class, Premium Economy)
BA (Club World)
AF (L'Espace 127)
UA (Business, Coach)
US (Envoy, Coach)
NW (WBC, Coach)
SK (Business)
KL (Business)
LH (Business, Coach)

Aircraft Flown:
747-100/200/400
757-200
767-200/300/400
777-200
MD-11
DC-10-10/30
A310-200/300
A330-200/300
A340-300

So, after completing that many flights in that many classes, based on experience here are my selections.

Business Class Product
Top 3
1. Continental's BusinessFirst (Consistent in all stages, I feel comfortable with them.)
2. Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class (Almost a tie with CO, but not as consistent as CO. Overall very good.)
3. BA's Club World (Old, haven't tried the flat beds, and based on what I hear, I'm not going to set the world on fire to try and do so.)

Low 3
3. Northwest's WBC (Old and new, not too impressive, be it food choices, service, or cleanliness)
2. Air France's L'Espace 127 (Not-too-generous recline, poor experiences on the 2 flights I took in 1999)
1. Alitalia's Magnifica Class (Flights taken on 763 in early 2001, no PTV, sassy crews, food subpar, and IFE was inop for the last three hours of the eastbound and very scratchy audio and picture quality westbound)

Coach Class
Top 3
1. BA's new Coach class (Very comfortable, warm service on the 3 roundtrips I have taken to Heathrow with them. All aspects were impressive for Coach.)
2. Continental's Coach (Again, very consistent, comfortable chair to sleep in, IFE is very good)
3. US Airways' Coach (A330 ONLY, gets #3 by virtue of its phenomenal IFE; kept me up rewinding and pausing the video all flight long. Everything else average.)

Low 3
3. Lufthansa's Coach (Uncomfortable seat, fair service, average food, poor IFE.)
2. United's Coach (IFE inop on 763 twice, inconsistent, food not very good, seat uncomfortable)
3. Northwest's Coach (Disgraceful service on several trips, IFE generally bad and programming vanilla, especially on DC-10. Food is okay, but seat makes you count the minutes until your ETA. Thank God they fly the DC-10s, because if they weren't my favorite type, I would avoid them like the plague.)

* * *

Overall, you can't go wrong with Continental or BA. BA may give you the more flamboyant features, but day in and day out, Continental delivers a very good product on every flight, and crew is always polite and give you the feeling they like their job.

Bear in mind that CO is the only US airline to have an entire widebody fleet equipped with PTV's in all classes of service.
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:37 am

Continental by far. They have gotten awards recenlty for overseas service. The amount of service from the US to the UK is very high. The best flights are on the Boeing 777 to the UK.


Continental
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:42 am

AA, for sure!
 
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:02 am

British Airways! Great planes, seats, food, and PTV!  Big thumbs up
 
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For Coach Comfort Ride AA's Luxury Liners

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:19 am

Comfort is a major factor on overnight transatlantic flights. If traveling coach, go with American. The extra leg room on their "Luxury Liners" can't be beat. Dinner is acceptable, good selection of audio channels, hours of video entertainment, PTVs on the 777s.

First Class meals are a culinary delight!
 
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RE: For Coach Comfort Ride AA's Luxury Liners

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:32 am

I work for DL and have had no complaints. The only other airlines I have flown overseas were European. I would have to say that the cheapest is the best in my book......as long as I get there!!!!
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RE: Best US Airline Crossing The Atlantic

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:42 am

I would say US Airways. I have never been on the A330, but the 767 I thought was pretty nice though. Service was good. Wish I had been on the A330 though!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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