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British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:02 pm

A man holding dual British/Israeli passports was off loaded from a Kuwait Airways flight at LHR, the man was travelling to India via Kuwait on his Israeli passport which had the Indian visa endorsed on it.

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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:14 pm


What's so special about it?
Is it so rare that people with dual pasports are hold at airports?
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:17 pm

Didnt the man and his agent have sense enough not to travel/put him on an Arab airline on that passport? and whats your problem Angry
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:26 pm

What's wrong with the passport? If Kuwait Airways chooses not to permit Israeli passport holders to fly, that's a pretty political thing to do. And racist, too.....

Airlines are there to make business and money, not politics. If British Airways decided not to transport Arab passengers anymore, I would never fly with them again. I had been thinking about flying to New York on KU, but now I'm sure I won't. Any airline employing such policies is not deserving of the little revenue my flight would bring them...

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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:38 pm

Here's some info from timatic:

<
ADMISSION AND TRANSIT RESTRICTIONS: THE GOVERNMENT OF KUWAIT<
REFUSES:<
1. ADMISSION TO HOLDERS OF ISRAELI OR<
PALESTINIAN PASSPORTS.<
2. TRANSIT TO THOSE MENTIONED UNDER ADMISSION RESTRICTIONS<
1. EVEN IF NOT LEAVING THE AIRCRAFT AND PROCEEDING BY<
SAME FLIGHT.<
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:40 pm

omg do u ppl even know that ppl that hold an israeli passport or any other nationality with an israeli stamp in there passport are point blank refused entry to certain arab countries so why do u think airlines would be any different. if an israeli cant go to egypt because they just cant do u think egyptair would nowingly let an israeli onto one of there flights i think not!.
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:41 pm

Be rational its not the airlines fault, but the person and his travel agent are to blame, Kuwait is amongst a number of Arab countries that do not recognise Israel, and Kuwait Airways is state run so the states poilicies aply to them too, a number of other countries and their airlines follow the same rules. In another post I had asked if people from Islamic countries would be allowed to travel on EL AL flights out of LHR for example and many members here answered they would not, and only an exception could be made perhaps in case of anemergency, like if no seats were available on other airlines and the concerned individual or family had to reach their destination at all costs Smile
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:43 pm

It's sad to see things like this happen in the 21st century.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:48 pm

BA-747: Which language was that? Spotted the odd English word somewhere in your post, but most of it was incomprehensible...

LY772: Obviously, you are just as racist as al Queda....

Marco: Agree with you 100%

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LY772 Racist!

Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:21 am

LY772 , you must be ashamed by what you've posted because as Ikarus said you are as racist as al qaeda...and by the way Israel must rethink its politic because they are getting the world in trouble, the whole world is suffering now because of Israel's arrogance and racisme against Palestinians...
I don't hate Israelis but enough is enough !!!
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RE: LY772 Racist!

Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:32 am

AIR MALTA:
I disagree. First, the whole world is not (yet) in trouble. Second, the reason is not Israel's suppression of Palestinians (although it contributed as motivator of some terrorists). The reason is the desire of one megalomaniac to unite a billion people behind him, doing what all clever strategists do: creating an enemy so big and hated that people unite to fight him. By provoking the USA into attacking Islamic countries and Arabs, he basically tries to demonize them...

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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:10 am

BA-747 was speculating about Israelis going to Egypt. They will either go on ElAl flight 443/444 or Air Sinai flight 43/42 from TLV to CAI and back. Price is roughly $350 for a return trip on Y class. There are probably cheaper charter flights.

Egypt is a normal country and has ended all wars.

Last time I was in Israel I noticed huge adverticements for holiday trips to Egypt in Jerusalem Post. Mostly bus trips.

God bless Egypt and the Egyptian people for their wisdom.

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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:56 am

Since we are on the way to Egypt, then why not make it a grander tour: Royal Jordanian Dash-8 from TLV to AMM (Amman), and a stopover before the Egyptair B737 from AMM to CAI? And same way back to Tel Aviv again. Y class price goes up less than $100.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:30 am

ly772--why don't u kiss my pAkistAni Ass?? are there enough "A"s or should i include the ones in ur A rAcist Asshole!!!!!
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:17 pm

Air Malta please don't justify what bin laden to america on the 9/11 because that wasn't the reason. His aims are to get rid of "infidels" in the Middle East, especially in saudi. Also, palistinians have to stop terrorizing the israeli's, (yes even the israeli's have to stop aswell) so don't blame only one side.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:41 pm

EL AL regularly flies and transports Arabs all the time!

Airmale, Kuwait doesn't fly Israelis because Kuwaitis hate Israel and deny its existance and prosperity.

EL AL doesn't fly Kuwaiti citizens because Kuwait hates Israel, its a sort of "all we can do becuase your not being nice to us". If Israel could do business with Kuwait and normalize reltions it sure would (just like Turkey, Mauritius, Jordan, Egypt, and years of failure with stubborn awful Syrians).

So, its completely different!
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:07 pm

How come LY772's comment has not been deleted yet? Have you all suggested deletion?

Hisham.
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:35 pm

Why should it be deleted?
It´s a free world (or is it?) He/she can say what he/she wants - it will say more abaout him/herself than anything else.

This deletion business is rediculus - we don¨t live in a world of censorship.

Let each man have his say - and let him be accountable for it!

End to all internet censorship!

If anything should be deleted its should be the "delete this post botton"
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As for the original topic. It is as dispicable for the Kuwaities to discriminate as it for american, chineese and as of sunday danish - carriers to discriminate against "arabs"
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:11 pm

I agree with the above post regarding the "delete this post" button. Not only is it censorship, but (worse) it suggests there are sniveling little crybabies here, running behind Mommy's skirts to see who can be first to curry favor with her.

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My Personal View

Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:13 pm

Just to add something: of course, both sides, the Israelis and the Palestinians have to stop their violence against the other side. But please note that Palestinian violence comes from radical organisations mainly, not the normal Palestinian people, while the violence from Israel is being carried out by the government/military mainly. And too often the Israeli military strikes back against normal peaceful people, using F-16s, helis or tanks.
Certainly, those bombings from Palestinian organisations are bad crimes, but it is not justified to punish all Palestinians for that.
And why always blame Arafat after a bombing? How can he have control of all those radical organisations? Blaming Arafat is a very very easy way of a reaction...

The whole problem can only be solved by the forming of a Palestinian state...without it the violence won't stop. And the whole world will suffer from that violence until that day.

By the way, why blaming Kuwait Airways? It's just the government's view and people should take care of that. Emirates or Gulf Air don't transport Israeli passport holders, too. They are not more racist than several people in Israel who don't accept the Palestinians.


Just my view

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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:07 pm

Regarding "Deletion", only posts and threads with foul language and personal attacks on a member or against a religion should be deleted, the rest should remain.

PANYNJ-, Yes! none of the Arab states deal with Israel, perhaps if Israel changed their stance on Palestine most would open up to them, like Qatar and Oman which were quite eager on doing business with Isarel and allowing air services between the respective countries until like ususal Israel did something in the occupied territories that starined relations between t5hem again. As for Israel's prosperity? to a place like Kuwait its no less than say Cyprus. Kuwait Airway's policy is a state policy shared with many Muslim countries, an Israeli citizen is not to set foot on their soil. quite obviously the man was Israeli with British citizen ship, he could've flown LY, BA, VS, or AI instead Smile
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:50 pm

The person who didn’t let the Israeli to get aboard the flight has more brain than the Israeli man himself.
Any way, its against the Israeli law for Israelis to fly with airlines from countries that Israel doesn’t have a diplomatic relation with them and even not to fly over them.

Udo, when the “Intifada” started a year ago, Arafat sent free many Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorist who were in Palestinian prisons. This gave the Hamas and Islamic Jihad a “Green light” to perform a terrorist action against Israel. So we can blame him.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 10:15 pm

Rather silly if you ask me, why cant an Israeli flying a European or other airline fly over countries that do not have ties with Israel? dosent make sense at all, if the man had chosen any other carrier he would have had to still do just that, or do airlines have to ply other routes when carrying Israeli passengers? and since the person was more of a British citizen he had the right and freedom to choose any airline just that he was wrong to have done so an Arab one on his Israeli passport Smile
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 10:49 pm

Airmale,
The problem is not flying above an Arab country, the problem is landing in that country because of an emergency.
I don’t want to think what will happen if Israelis will find themselves suddenly in Iraq for example (if planes do land in Iraq).

About the passport, I agree. He should have used his British passport and not the Israeli one.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 11:17 pm

That would not happen for two reasons;

1. The person did not land there by choice or on purpose.

2. The person is responsibility of the airline he is travelling with.

But by choosing to fly an Arab airline via an Arab country on an Israeli passport deliberately he himself was inviting trouble, which perhaps may have ended up being blown out of proportion by the media and others Smile
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Tue Oct 16, 2001 11:47 pm

Its the basic two-faced policies of all those gulf states. I've heard reports where passengers with Jewish sounding names have been booted off flights. Still, ridiculous policy or not, the passenger's travel agent should have known better !
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Wed Oct 17, 2001 12:38 am

Avi: believe it or not nothing would happen to a Jew in Iraq. In fact there are synagogues and Iraqi Jews in Iraq. Iraq is a country of many faiths and races.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:48 am

Well, at least we must have learned by now that this thread was NOT started by Kuwait Airlines sales promotion department.
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:18 am

Got a problem Prebennholm?

Avi- as for the Arabs hating Israel, I distinctly recall Qatar and Oman set up trade realtions with israel which included visits by delegates though not official from the countries to Israel and vice versa, the agreement also included air services, but sadly aagain violence erupted in the region and the developments on the front were halted, so the possibility of israel having healthy relations with some if not all Arab and Muslim states exists, it wont be smooth sailing as far as the extremeist elements are concerned in the countries but the possiblity does exist, just resolve the Palestine issue and see things change Smile
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:27 pm

This law is a precaution one. I know that there are Jews in Iraq, Iran and other countries in the Golf area, but you still don’t get it yet how things work in the middle east.

Yesterday, 15 years ago, an air force navigator, Ron Arad, was captured in Lebanon by Amal organization. He was moved between several organizations and ended in Iran. For years now, we have no idea what is going on with him. He disappeared like he was never exist.

A year ago Hizbala terror organization hijacked 4 Israelis (3 soldiers from Israel (with BIG help from the UN!!!) and one civilian from Europe). No one saw them ever since, no Red Cross personal, no UN, nobody. We don’t know what is there condition or anything else.
As you can see, western code doesn’t apply in this region.

Now, I don’t say that if an Israeli will land in Arab country he won’t get out (and only Iraq and Iran are a real problem) but why to test it. Don’t we have bigger problems?

Marco, you probably forgot that Iraq attacked Israel during the Golf war when Israel had nothing to do with this war. If Sadam will fill the rope on his neck in the next months to come, he will attack Israel again (notice that an attack against Iraq is not the same thing as an attack against Sadam, after all, USA never stop bomb Iraq ever since the war ended).
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:19 pm

Come on, didn't everyone read the memo? Only white folk, Christians and Israelis can be racist! Arabs are excused from any criticism, because of course they got a raw deal in the Crusades! Sheesh!

Seriously, though, don't anybody start up with "Israel started it..." or "Arabs who hate Israel and try and blow it up are a minority" stuff. Israel offered Arafat a 95% withdrawl from the West Bank a year or two ago, including giving up control of part of Jerusalem, and Arafat decided instead to reject it and start up the intifada again. It ain't pretty, but Israel has to defend itself, and as a democracy, it's plain why America supports her.

And you guys should check out the Arab press sometime -- the way they talk about Israel and the Jews would make Hitler blush, and people in these countries buy it. On the street, more people than don't believe the Mossad blew up WTC, and in the elite, moderates are afraid to speak out for fear of being killed. So don't anyone say Arabs are innocent here. Many of them are little more than Nazis with religious hate-crime protection.
 
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RE: British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:22 pm

Well said Ironminds.
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