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lindy field
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Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:38 am

Just found the following report on Yahoo.

Delta Air Stops Three Routes to Japan

ATLANTA (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - news) on Tuesday said it would discontinue flights from Los Angeles to
Nagoya and Tokyo, Japan, on Dec. 1 and would also end its New York-to-Tokyo service, citing expectations for continued
negative performance on the three routes.

The Los Angeles-to-Nagoya is a daily nonstop flight, while the one to from Los Angeles to Tokyo is nonstop, six times per
week.

Delta, the No. 3 U.S. airline, earlier announced the New York (John F. Kennedy Airport) to Tokyo service would be suspended until March 15, 2002. It will
now be discontinued.

``The news for Delta and its Japan service over the past 12 months has not been good,'' said Paul Matsen, Delta's senior vice president-international
alliances.

The airline said employees in Nagoya, Tokyo and Los Angeles who support the services may be laid off unless staff can be reduced through voluntary
programs.

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Does Delta have any other routes to Japan or other destinations in Asia? I was under the impression that they had pulled out of most other Asian markets, though I could be wrong about South Korea. Does anyone want to speculate on the long-term significance of this move?
 
Marco
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:43 am

They fly to Bombay via Frankfurt from JFK. I believe that's their sole remaining Asian destination (now that NRT,NGO,TLV,CAI and DXB are gone).
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:50 am

Dont DL also fly to Istanbul Confused according to the 1997 OAG guide they operated teh 767-300 on the route twice a week.

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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:50 am

Dont' they still fly ATL NRT?
 
Marco
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:54 am

Airzim you have a point I believe they still fly to NRT from ATL, but it's been suspended temporarily (I think). DL do fly to IST from JFK as well.
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:56 am

Istanbul's airport is on the European side of town, so it's technically and geographically a European route.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:16 am

Delta is not out of Asia. They still operate daily MD-11 flights from Atlanta-Tokyo Narita. They also fly JFK-FRA-BOM. And they might start daily flights from FRA-DEL.

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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:40 am

Marco has delta left DXB for good or has the service been suspended...???
Turkey is technically in Asia(regardless of what they say!) but Istanbul for all practical purposes does fall into the European city network for all airlines. Delta has the most extensive of European networks of all US airlines and that is why they also serve IST.....part of their Euro network.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:37 am

Hi:

Delta will not suspend the routes to Japan, and they still flying to Istanbul and Mumbai. The JFK-NRT route to Asia was cancelled after the Sept 11.

The Delta service to Cairo and Dubai is suspended temporaly until 15 March 2002.

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MAH4546
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:52 am

Dubai is suspended. Atlanta-Narita is suspended, but will resume. Istanbul is Europe, not Asia.
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:27 pm

Istanbul is Europe-Asia.
Wonder if Delta will ever fly to Hong Kong anymore.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:36 pm

DL will probably fly to HKG out of LAX and ATL. JFK will probably never see HKG again. UAL is done with that route and LAX-HGK with UAL is Kaput.
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:45 pm

My father works with DL and it's true that they will cease most of its flights to and from Japan. The only route that will remain after December 1st is its non-stop Atlanta to Narita route. DL discontinued service to South Korea about two years ago becuase of the Asian Financial Crisis. With the economy in Asia still bad, and flight loads being real light, all it would take to discontinue DL service in and out of Japan would be an incident like that of Septemeber 11th. And what do you know, it happened. As you may have heard many times, DL MUST do this in order to survive and stop the laying off of more employees.
 
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lindy field
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:33 pm

I forgot about the routes to India. Didn't mean to slight any destinations. Perhaps I should have written "Delta to cease trans-pacific ops?!"
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:15 pm

Virgin340,
Delta never flew to HKG out of JFK, unless it connected in some other city in Asia. CAL flies it nonstop, UAL tried, but pulled it pre 9-11. Cathy does it one stop via Vancouver (presently suspended I believe) I don't think DAL has flown it out of LAX either, maybe planned to, but don't think they did.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:16 pm

ATL-NRT is not suspended. Flight 55 in in the air right now as I type this, or at least DL's web site says it is.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:22 pm

I think the only route currently left is ATL-NRT.
 
9V-SPK
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:37 pm

The Hong Kong route used to have a stop in Tokyo.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:27 am

wrong it stopped in anc with the L1011 AND then went ns lax hkg with the MD-11
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:36 am

The problem Delta will face is that without a certain amount of flights in the marketplace, travel agents etc will stop thinking of Delta. If they flew to NY, LA, Atlanta and Portland from Tokyo and a few other flights ie Nagoya, Osaka, they'd have a 'critical mass'. But with just the one flight to Atlanta I think they'll end up being overlooked. It's like, if they flew to NY LA and Portland, Atlanta would also benefit cos travel agents would think 'Delta' for the US generally. Make any sense?

I know airlines can survive with just one route to a continent, ie Piedmont London-Charlotte was successful and so was USAir when they just had Charlotte and Baltimore (and Frankfurt-Charlotte). But it's a lot harder without the big presence.

Didn't Delta used to fly to Bangkok as well?
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:58 am

Yep, DL used to fly to BKK out of PDX. (Several years ago, can't remember exactly)
They were trying to develop PDX into some sort of Aisan hub for them with BKK, SEL, NGO, and NRT. But after last April it's all gone.
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:01 am

Good point Cedarjet... Critical mass is so important in long-term success of int'l routes, yet so often overlooked.
Take Italy for example...I was just over there in May traveling around and I noticed Delta promotions, and buzz seemed by far to drown out all other US airlines, which I found in part was because Delta went beyond just FCO & MXP service, to operate the only Venice-USA non-stop.
I'd imagine the initiation of Alitalia into the gheto-aliance was helped to a small degree by DL's committment (or resulted from it).
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:07 am

Hi:

Today Delta has confirmed this post. Delta will suspend on December 01 the route from Los Angeles to Nagoya and Tokyo. Delta will serve only the Atlanta - Tokyo (NRT) route. I think that this situation is temporaly.

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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:51 am

Btw I'm really stunned by the suspension of LA - Tokyo, I always thought of that route as the Pacific equivalent of London - New York. Well, it is I guess, the two biggest cities on either side of an ocean. I would have thought anyone could make money with that route.
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 10:02 am

DL has a very poor brand recognition in Asia, and it doesn't have a solid feed in LAX, and JFK as well. NRT-LAX not being a daily service doesn't help either. DL offers the only nonstop service to NRT from ATL, DL's homebase. So, I don't think it's a big surprise that ATL-NRT is the only Japan service that they will continue flying.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 10:14 am

Wonder now if we can say bye bye to DL MD11 fleet, as of running ATL-NRT would only take 2 airplanes which the 777-200 could do? Just curious
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:11 am

The LAX and JFK flights are suposed to return by March 15th next year.
 
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:17 am

2cn, no, they are not.
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:35 am

According to the article I read all Delta routes to NRT/NGO are perm xld besides ATL-NRT.
 
airNondo
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RE: Delta Out Of Asia?!

Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:52 am

It is surprising that DL couldn't even make it on such a well-traveled route as NRT-LAX. Though, I think the loss is lessened for DL due to the fact that SkyTeam partner KE flies this route n-stop (last I heard), along with more options connecting thru Souel.