odie
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MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:35 am

It was reported from one of the Malaysian newsagency that MAS might restart the KUL-NYC route once it's safety is reassured. I don't get the point when so many airlines fly into NYC and yet they are safe, although the are the only ones who fly via DXB. I still think they should fly via Europe like AMS or FRA for their flights into JFK and not EWR. There's not many passengers traveling on the Middle East-USA route, given the current condition though!

Here's the press release:
MALAYSIAN Airline System Bhd (MAS) will resume its Kuala Lumpur-New York (Newark) services only after it is fully assured of the safety of the route, says MAS senior general manager for flight operations Captain Mohd Nawawi Awang. Currently, he said, there are “too many uncertainties” in the travel industry which prevent the carrier from resuming the thrice weekly flights to New York.

“However, we are evaluating the situation. When we are fully assured, we will resume the flights,” he told reporters after a briefing on the carrier’s recent polar express flight at MAS Academy in Kelana Jaya yesterday. MAS suspended its services to New York, via Dubai, after the September 11 terrorist attacks on the US. The national carrier, however, still flies daily to Los Angeles. MAS recently activated its contingency plan, rerouting Europe- and West Asia-bound flights to southern India, 750 miles away from Afghan airspace, to maintain a safe distance from the zone of current military operations.

MAS held a briefing yesterday to highlight its historic journey from Seattle to Kuala Lumpur on Polar Route 2, which spans Canada, the North Pole, Russia and Mongolia. The polar routes were officially opened on February 1 and MAS became the first Asian airline to fly a twin-engine commercial aircraft on one of the four new routes. Mohd Nawawi said the opportunity to fly the polar route came when MAS took delivery of its 13th B777 from Boeing recently. The aircraft left Seattle on April 25 and arrived at the KL International Airport in Sepang the next day, carrying 46 passengers, including MAS managing director Datuk Mohd Nor Yusof.

"It took MAS three months to prepare for the journey. It also resulted in a new air services agreement between Malaysia and Russia which was signed on January 16," Mohd Nawawi said.He did not discount the possibility of MAS flying the route commercially in future, as it will shorten flight time and distance between cities in North America and Asia, as well as reduce fuel costs. “The Seattle-to-Kuala Lumpur flight via the polar route took 18 hours and 2 minutes compared to 20 hours on a normal flight.”


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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:42 am

Whats the latest on MH's new livery? I do see the new title being introduced in their advertisements in magazines, what about the rest? I also want to know would the service have be feasible were it routed via Karachi and a European stop Smile

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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:12 am

And they said they wanted to be a regional carrier. Hmmm.
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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:38 am

Are they actually talking about introducing an 18 hour nonstop to Seattle, or was that just a delivery flight?
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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:03 am

Strange why MAS is doing a press release of the delivery flight of a 777-200ER which happened 6 months ago. And would a nonstop SEA-KUL using a non-polar route really take 20 hours? After all, the current scheduled LAX-KUL, which is farther, operated by MH using the conventional transpacific flightpath takes only 18h20 westbound in the summer (or 19h50 if you include the 1h30 refueling stopover in NRT).
 
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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:50 pm

Airmale: It wasn't even feasible when they made it stopover in Dubai, moreover in Karachi! Plus, I think the Dubai-NYC leg is already almost to it's limit, so how can they fly via Karachi instead? And flying via Karachi and Europe? No way! MAS prefer one-stop and if really feasible, non-stop! By the way, MAS already suspended their services into Karachi due to security reasons. They said that MAS suspended the KUL-NYC route was due to security reason and flying via Karachi would help them solve the security reason?

They are probably better off flying via Tokyo and the flying time is shorter if I am not mistaken. They are going to fly twice daily into Tokyo soon, don't know if they are going to ioperate all their ex-LAX flights from there or adding NRT-JFK flights from there.

Singapore_Air: Yes, MAS did said they wanted to be a regional carrier first, that's why they are cutting down on some European routes and Australian routes. But this does not mean that they shouldn't expand their international operations. MAS still want to fly 3 times daily into London, daily into both Frankfurt and Paris, probably more frequencies to Sydney! They focus more on regional routes, but in the mean time, if there's room for expansion on their inter-continental flights, why not?

And I have no idea why that press was released 6 months after it took delivery of the new aircraft.

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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:22 pm


I'm sure MH would love to operate their NYC flights via NRT but they do not have the traffic rights. Getting the 3x weekly to LAX was tough enough! Linking up with NW at NRT makes sense for MH - which is probably why they are increasing their NRT frequencies - with selected transpacific codeshares from there using NW metal.

I'd like to see a daily MH 777 thru service KUL-AMS-NYC (in place of the DXB stopover which makes no economic sense now). The AMS stop will allow MH to codeshare with KLM and possibly NW - and offer KL and NW pax a really great alternative on the transatlantic sector; similar to the SQ/LH partnershaip on SQ's SIN-FRA-JFK. I'm certain the MH flight will be a popular transatlantic option ex-AMS.

 
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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:14 am

I totally agree with Airpearl. I am not too sure about obtaining rights at NRT now, given that most the airlines are scaling back operation. MAS already obtained the 3 weekly flights at NRT many years ago, when it used to fly via HNL to LAX as well. I as wondering why don't they just make the LAX daily flight via one point only, either NRT or TPE instead of flying via both points at different days.

About NWA and MAS, nothing had been announced yet, although MAS and KLM are in the final stage of announcing their alliance.

As I said, going via AMS to JFK should be lucrative for MAS. But obtianing taffic rights is another thing!

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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:34 am

Traffic rights ex AMS are no problem (at least for the AMS-NYC sector) as there's an open skies policy between The Netherlands and the USA (don't know what's between The Netherlands and Malaysia). Anyway, if MH chooses to fly via AMS they will be going head on with SQ as SQ flies SIN-AMS-EWR already.

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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:19 am

According to MAS - they have NOT planned to 'withdraw' from NY. The service is currently 'suspended only' so there are plans to return in the near future.
 
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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:56 pm


Malaysia has a liberal ASA with the Netherlands and has an open skies with the US, so traffic rights will not be a problem for AMS-NYC. As for going head to head with SQ on this route, MH has an advantage over SQ in that it will codeshare with KL and NW - which is what can sustain the daily service. The problem I foresee is whether KL and NW will want to encourage further capacity added on the transatlantic where yields have already plummetted.
 
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RE: MAS May Re-start KUL-NYC Route.

Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:06 pm

In every press released by MAS, they had always stressed that the suspension to NYC is only temporarily. They mentioned that the proposed alliance with KLM is now at Head-Office level. maybe they are trying to negotiate with the Dutch authorities regarding their new daily services to NYC via AMS instead of DXB. This might be the reason that they are not announcing their resumption of services to NYC yet.

Although the Dutch and US authorities have liberal commercial air agreements, I am not too sure if Malaysia and the Dutch government have liberal air agreements. However, it was mentioned that MAS is asking the Malaysian Governement to provide additional landing rights into certain key cities to provide daily services. Maybe getting landing slots into JFK is difficult? They might plan to change their services into via AMS and into JFK instead of via DXB into EWR.

SIA operate their flights into EWR and I don't think the load is pretty good compared to JFK, otherwise they won't be reducing freqnecies to EWR. If MAS wants to operate into NYC, they would have to operate into JFK instead of EWR in order to compete with SIA. There's only 2 flights a day from AMS to JFK, so I guess there should be room for expansion to another daily flight. However, if flights to NYC are operated via Europe, MAS will need to park their aircraft for about 11 hours at NYC and if they operate via NRT, they don't really need to!

It's really weird because MAS used to say that it will suspend the New York route becasue it was unprofitable, so is LAX. Wonder why they want to re-instate that flight again. Maybe they can make profit out of it if they operate via AMS or NRT!

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