Mr.BA
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Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:31 am

Hi all,

Read in Pprune that Qantas might buy up to 50 B737NGs and rumours now that the orders consists of B717s, B737s, B738s and B777s and Airbus's orders are at stake!

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:44 am

On the YSSY forum, when I posted info on the pprune comments, people came back saying that it wasn't 50 but 15 737-800s which will be ordered. It is apparently a certainty.

I would be surprised to see the Airbuses ditched for 777s.
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:45 am

I hope it's true... I really like to see the B777s!

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:52 am

Apparently part of this suggested order will inlcude 18 B737-800s. The other 32, have no idea? I for one would love to see the B777 in Qantas colours.

Also, there is another rumour going around, is that Airbus may back down from the A380. Can anyone confirm this? Hence why, Qantas is buying from Boeing now.
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:11 am

Whereabouts on Pprune was this posted?

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:27 am

I dont think Qantas would ditch the A330 orders in favour of the 777. As for the A380, I have heard these rumours too, but the aircraft is still scheduled to be built.
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:35 am

Now isn't the time to stop the A380. If we have a recession now, the economy (God and Pentagon willing) will have recovered about a year or two before the A380 first flies. If the economy were to hold up for another few years (I think it's fair to say this isn't going to happen), the A380 would have big problems cos it's service entry will coincide with a downturn in demand. As it is, it'll probably coincide with an upswing, or just after one. I'm sure the airlines see things the same. While no-one's going to be seen splashing cash around for delivery positions in the current difficult climate, those with orders placed won't be too worried (not sure about VS though), they are surely aware of the pattern I'm describing. Airbus have to sit tight for a couple of years and ride out the bullshit and in 2006 they'll have a cash cow on their hands. Lucky old Airbus.
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:00 am

qantas will buy 15 738s. former delta.
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:08 am

I can only hope! Please fit winglets!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:21 am

Delta 737-800s don't have winglets, so I would imagine it's unlikely. It would be sexy though...(if anything else!)
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:22 am

Another point:

How come QF can so easily get its hands on 738s when Virgin Blue have been going on and on about getting extra new aircraft. Nothing has been announced from their end. Either they're keeping hush-hush or they simply haven't been looking hard enough!

Speaking of Virgin? Anything more on the 757 rumour?
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 12:21 pm

Aussie

Have not got anymore news on 757 rumour, your right on
Virgin Blue's search for 737s, after all apparently they
had first chop at the 10 Midway 737-700s, the only
thing that seems to be happening is their ramping up
of F/A intake, all this talk of Virgin cash flow problems,
wether true or false does not give a good guide either.

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:38 pm

Maybe Australian Airlines won't be getting hand me downs after all!
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:45 pm

I really would love to see Boeing 737 in Qantas colours. Can't wait either. and I would love to see Boeing 777's in Qantas colours. The Boeing 777 is a very sexy plane, much better than ugly-looking A380 and now since the Airline industy has big problems and it may get more accidents due terror attacts it is just loigical to stop the A380. I don't think that more airline will buy the A380 right now. Also Lufthansa stopped an final order.
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:47 pm

It ain't hard to see a 737 in QF colors. There are already 37 of them.
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:48 pm

Hopefully true...
I prefer the 777 over the A330 for some reason or another.

Great news Mr. BA
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:28 pm

If there is to be an announcment, it will most likley
be tomorrow during Qantas annual shareholders meeting
in Sydney, here's a repost from pprune:

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posted 17 October 2001 10:27
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This is what I heard today;

18 737-800 (Qantas)

10 717-200 (Impulse)

Boeing have also offered Qantas a good deal on the B767-400 if they want it.

Before four points says they 717 is dead, its not. The 10 717 for Impulse will come from the 50 options that Airtran has. Also the 717 is still selling in small numbers to smaller airlines. Midwest Express is to purchase the 717 to replace their DC-9/MD81's.

 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:04 pm

How many B717's have currently been produced anyway?
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:05 pm

18 B737-800s from Boeing or Delta? So it is safe to say they only looking for B737-800s and B717s?

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:18 pm

Repost from Pprune:

bentandtwisted
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posted 17 October 2001 10:27
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This is what I heard today;

18 737-800 (Qantas)

10 717-200 (Impulse)

Boeing have also offered Qantas a good deal on the B767-400 if they want it.

Before four points says they 717 is dead, its not. The 10 717 for Impulse will come from the 50 options that Airtran has. Also the 717 is still selling in small numbers to smaller airlines. Midwest Express is to purchase the 717 to replace their DC-9/MD81's.

 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:41 pm

The Qantas 2001 Annual General Meeting, is actually being held in Melbourne, and not in Sydney which is a nice change.

Venue & Time

Melbourne Concert Hall, Victorian Arts Centre, 2.00pm Thusday 18th October 2001.

Should be quite an interesting meeting with ALL the recent developments in World and Australian Avaition.

Lets hope there is some word about the possible new aircraft orders, and more imformaton about "Australian Airlines".

Thanks
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:44 pm

After so much bad news worldwide, I hope to hear good news.

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:21 pm

I hope that this is true!! I would love to see the 737NG and the 777 in Qantas livery!!
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:34 pm

The '380' will hardly be a 'cash cow.' Even though the profit potential is greater than their 744's---there are quite a few seats to sell in order to make up the operating cost difference.

I'm a big 380 fan, however, I was dissapointed to learn that 11% of the 16% seat mile cost savings was 'earned' strictly by increasing the passenger load. I somehow expected more.

It will be interesting to see how they deal with the weight issue. By most accounts the 380 needs a diet--but I beleive this is true of most new aircraft in this stage of development.
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:54 pm


I truly think that the A380 WILL be a cash cow.

I mean think of it, the demand for air travel was forcasted to be growing at such a rate as to create a need and market for the A380 or bigger planes.

The recent downturn due to the many a/c crashes worldwide, Russia, Italy the US, has slowed air travel for now, but when the world feels safe enough to return to their traveling ways, the demand is going to be so great that airlines will not know what to do with themselves. THey would have cut their capacities to minimums, sold off many aircraft and will simply not be able to cope with the traffic influx. They have axed staff jobs, which within a few years when all back to normal will cause a huge hiring spree.

If you look at this situation in the long term, and the growth that was predicted has been hampered, but when the curent crises's worldwide in air travel have past, this growth will be back bigger than ever. Which is why the A380 is so vital.
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:01 pm


Greg,

I also was surprised about that, but that follows from the cost structure incurred from operating an aircraft. A large part of the costs go to pay for the pilots, flight attendants and other "not technological" issues, and all these become cheaper per passenger as the plane grows.

Improving the plane's sheer technological effectiveness is of course also important, but this drives up both r&d costs and the price tag. So, since the plane is bigger than the competition to begin with, it's economical to use that as a starting point and be prudent with the new-tech stuff. They can return to that at a later point, much like Boeing did with the 747 and 747-400.

 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:12 pm

On the new long-haul aircraft QF will get, like the A330, will PTV's be fitten in them before or will the put them in later on?
 
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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:42 am

I would love to see some more 717s ordered by Qantas. I live in Long Beach and would love the opertunity to shoot a fully painted Qantas 717. I hope that it happens.

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RE: Qantas May Buy Up To 50 Aircraft

Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:44 am

Yeh...if it's only Qantas, not "Qantas Link" it'd be even better!