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Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:01 am

Why did FedEx get rid of them at a time when cargo traffic is going way up? I know they ordered the A380 but why didn't they buy 747's before the A380 was ever introduced? I would think since they are the largest cargo carrier they would need them for the Asian routes and high density routes to Europe and throughout the US. It just seems like a really big jump from the MD-11 to the A380. Wouldn't the 747 fit nicely in between?
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:06 am

One word...no two words...MD-11's RULE  Smile
Thats why I love Fedex cause they own the most Md11's. MAybe they wanted to keep their fleet simple. You buy a 747, then you have to buy a 747 simulator to train your 747 pilots. But thats a very interesting question.
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:14 am

The real reason is that the 747 does not fit into the FedEx fleet: FedEx mostly works with containers, and the 747 is not really fot to operate with them. The 747's cargo hold is too big for the containers used by FedEx, resulting in a lot of unused space. The MD-11 is narrower, and perfect for the containers, so space is used more optimal. I even believe FedEx carries about the same amount of cargo in an MD-11 that it would in a 747, so there's not really a use for them.
The A380, however, is perfect for the container system, since it has two full decks, designed to effectively carry containers, and thus economically use the available space.

I hope that helped...
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:25 am

One thing. They have the Boeing 727's and the DC-10, MD-11,and the MD-10. They might buy the A380, but we are not sure yet if they will. The MD-11 is their longest range aircraft they use cause they use it to go to Sydney with it and a lot of other places too.
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:27 am

CcrlR,

FedEx has placed an order for 10 A380-800F aircraft, so they WILL get them.
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:29 am

FedEX (or better Federal Express) have had some B747F's. Only problem was that they were too big at the time.

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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:45 am

Fedex inherited a mixed-bag of aging 741's & 742's when they bought Flying Tigers in 89. They had already committed to the MD-11 at that time. They then standardized on the MD-11 and eventually all 747F's were removed from service.

Fedex was able to benefit from a number of MD-11 pax aircraft being retired from service in the '90's from AA and these were no doubt cheaper than new MD-11's or 744's. Fedex has already agreed to buy the 19 SR MD-11's when they are retired from service.

Fedex looked at the proposed stretched 747 when they evaluated the A380. Part of the attraction of the A380 is that 1 A380 could replace 2 MD-11's.

Had neither the A380 nor the stetched 747 (now cancelled) been offered, perhaps Fedex would now be looking at the 744F....as it is, they have jumped over it from the MD-11 to the A380.

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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:49 am

They used to have them

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But they were replaced by the MD11's

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I really like trijets and this pic is cool. I wish we had these come to O'hare. We get the DC-10's and the 727's
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 6:19 am

As was stated before, the 747 doesn't work due to the pallet sizes. In addition to what was mentioned, the pallets that will utilize the space on the 747 cannot be transloaded to other aircraft types. The also ends up not being able to carry much more payload than the MD-11 on most of the routes we fly (which is why UPS when with the MD-11 also).

MD-11s do operate into ORD, parking on the heavyweight side. MD-10s also operate ORD regularly, but hard to tell the difference. About the only way from the outside (if it's not written on the side) is by the location of the upper VHF antennae, which is located aft on the MD-10, about the same place as the MD-11.
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 6:58 am

all they have is trijets?
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:26 am

Plus FedEx's route structure is such that a good number of packages go through the Memphis hub. And until just recently we had no runway that could handle a 747 size jet fully loaded. The Md-11's had to fly to Alaska and then refuel.

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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:18 am

It seems that FedEx had their mind in the right place when they went with the MD-11F.
As it's been mentioned before, considering the cargo they're hauling, the bigger size of the 747F represents an awful lot of empty air. And the different container/pallet sizes between MD-11's and 747's plays havoc with connecting flights the containers will have to travel on to reach the final destination.
When I used to ramp for UPS we got 747's during the Xmas rush and they went out light, half-full of empty containers, or with a lot of dead air. At the same time I was ramping for NCA and KAL and they were going out with very little room left open as they had maxed out the pallet sizes to make the most efficient use of the space.
The A380 (in its advertised shape) is a near perfect match for the package carriers who want to jam a lot of cargo into a small slot (like NRT or other congested airports) as it can carry almost double the payload of the MD-11F. Bigger capacity aircraft and less of them.
I have heard that FedEx is using Atlas Air 747's out of LAX for extra capacity into Asia...even though that really not FedEx per se...
Just my two bits,
Tom
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:23 pm

Fedex are using Atlas 747s to fly to Hong Kong at the moment. Everyday at least 2 flights pass through with Fedex callsigns. This is in addition to the 4-5 MD11 flights they operate themselves, so I'm afraid, you're all wrong.

Fedex do still use 747s...albeit not their own.
 
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RE: Why No 747's In The FedEX Fleet

Thu Oct 18, 2001 6:15 pm

Interesting about the 747s inherited from Flying Tigers in 1989 is that to my knowledge only one (N631FE, the one in picture above) was painted in full Fedex livery. All others (must have been about a dozen or so) were flying in Flying Tigers bare metal colours with just Fedex titles and a purple tail until they were sold in the mid -90s.