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Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:30 am

The McDonnell Douglas MD-90 twin-jet seems like almost a forgotten aircraft, huh??

Never hear very much about this pretty bird.

Love those big engines.

I would like to conduct a poll on how many of you A.Net'ers have ever flown aboard an MD-90. Or: Any pilots who have commanded the yoke of one.

(BTW....Does the MD-90 have the glass cockpit, like the Boeing 717?)

Thanks.


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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:35 am

I have never flown the 90 but its cockpit is similar to the MD-87/88 series,
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:39 am

Flown on MD-90s from PNS-MSY and MSY-DFW. Same lopsided 3-2 seating as MD-88 only flipflopped(2-3). Why I don't know!!!! No noticable differences inside. I slept well on both!
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:43 am

I've flown on one, Delta...CVG-DFW. Very nice aircraft, I liked it a lot. Quite powerful and also suprisingly quiet. An ex-forum member was with me...if you want to count her vote also..  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:49 am

Looking forward to a ride that I can remember....ORD-SLC on DL in about a month. I was at QQ's MD-90 ceremonies and won 2 free tix to SNA. Don't remember much from back then.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:54 am

I flew Delta's N905DA from CVG to DFW back in June 2000. I couldn't tell the difference between the MD-80 and the MD-90 from the inside...with the exception of the safety cards.  Smile

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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:56 am

I haven't, but AAR90 used to fly them when AA had the ex-Reno MD-90s.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:50 am

I flew on an AA MD90 from SAT-DFW. The Most absolutely historical flight I have been on. N901RA Was Beautiful. She was Quiet. I will never forget it. I flew on an Airtran 717 N940AT from DFW-GPT

I still do not know the reason why there was a west coast plane in San Antonio, but there was, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:20 am

I have flown several times on AA's ex-Reno MD-90's. They were very nice aircraft. Overall, they look newer inside than the MD-80's. They are also much quieter, especially in the back. A great aircraft.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:26 am

Why are so many MD-90s being withdrawn from service? Is it because of the engine type (IAE V2500), that it doesn't blend in with the airline's P&W JT8D powered MD-80s?
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:56 am

I belive the reason so many are being withdrawn from service is the fact that operating such a small fleet is not very economical. I also think the IAE engine throws is a big factor in the early retirement of these plans since their are very few of these engines in service with the exception of UA/HP who do not operate the MD90. I also think that the MD90 requires a different type ating than the MD80 but I could be wrong. If so that is additional training costs.

That is one of the reasons that you saw NW retire there MD80's late last year.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:31 am

I flew a DL MD-90 from MCI-SLC r/t. I recall it being a very smooth flight. Very similar to the AA MD-80 I flew in from MCI-ORD-BOS r/t a few months back.

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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:40 am

I think Delta should transfer it's MD-90s over to Express and get rid of the old 737-200s.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:10 pm

I flew twice on MD-90. 1st on a DL DFW-DCA and the 2nd on China Eastern on a domestic flight inside China.
I will remember the MD-90 always as the quietest airplane I have ever been on (and I had a good number to compare with) It is definatly not the same as a MD-80!
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:21 pm

I flew once on 21 september 1998 between Stockholm ARN and Oslo FBU with SK.
It was very quite noise and the layout was very roomy.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:44 pm

Hello!

I have flown on Delta's N903DA on 20.10.1998 (almost three years ago...  Smile) from PHX to SLC. I liked it because it was quiet inside  Love



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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:47 pm

Flew DL from CVG to DFW and it was surely a very nice flight, the aircraft is much quieter than the MD-80 series and of course much nicer from the inside...
Not bad at all...


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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:48 pm

Flew LHR - ARL with SAS OY-KIL and the return on LN-ROA - very quiet, loads of power on take off
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:54 pm

I have flow the MD-90 many times from SNA. The MD-90 has to be the quietest plane ever made.
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:20 pm

I flew on China Northern MD-90 B-2100 in late August from Shenyang to Xi'an and on to Cheng'du. Shenyang seems to be home to the majority of China Northern's MD-90 fleet.


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Interestingly, B-2100 is one of only [I think] two MD-90s built by the Chinese in Shanghai before the Trunkliner program was abandoned.

So, the return question is: who here have flown an MD-90 that wasn't built in Long Beach?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Andy
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:34 pm

I have flown the MD-90 many times between MCI-SLC and SLC-SNA. It is a very quiet aircraft, and I enjoyed all my flights on them (about nine).
 
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Lopsided Galley Explained

Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:57 pm

TU154 mentioned the 'lopsided' galley arrangement on DL MD-90s and -88s. This is to afford a wider galley, which is on the 'captain's' side of the aircraft (so that galley service does not interfere with baggage handling in the rear compartment).

To answer the original thread, I have flown MD-90s with DL (DFW-ONT) and QQ (SJC-LAX). Nice bird, definitely a step up from the MD-80. Too bad there aren't more of them. It appeared during a bad economy and by the time things turned around, the 737NG was offered, and its range/payload performance is much better.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 12:24 am

I've flown DL's MD90s quite a bit. I really love those planes...

Very, very quiet. Nice touches like the backlit handrails. Comfortable...

The interiors are well done - the ceiling treatments look much better than the cheap, plain treatments that the MD-80s and DC-9s get.

On takeoff, there's always plenty of power, and you're really put in your seats.

Too bad they didn't make more - they're great airplanes to fly.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:04 am

Flew SK MD-90 a little more than three years ago, CPH-GOT. Can't remember so much from the flight though.

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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 4:20 am


Looking at aircraft from purely a passenger standpoint,
some, and I can only speak for myself, feel good, comfortable and safe to be on. That is my take on the dash 80, 90 and so-on. I don't know why this is...it just is.

Now, on the other side of the coin...there are some aircraft I board...and want to de-board immediately.
Cases in point: DC-10, MD-11, and all of those little turbo-prop shuttle aircraft.

As far as just being unconfortable to fly in, I found this to be the case in 727's and 737's.

So, probably at the top of my list for just an all around good feeling, good flying airplane would be the MD-80 and 90 series.

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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:12 am

I've flown on Deltas a good number of times.. I myself dont like the plane that much as I think its quite noisy-possibly even nosier then an MD80 or 88... just more cabin noise from the air outside.

As for Delta getting rid of them- they decided to go to an all Boeing fleet.. the MD90 doesnt fit into that plan.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:26 am

Actually if you put the MD90 and 717 together, they would have the exact same noise level, (If 717 isn't quieter). The MD80 has almost the same, but is a little louder than the MD90 (Not much louder, It won't pierce your eardrum, and you won't get a headache). The DC9 is as loud as loud can get (except for the 707, 727)

 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:23 am

I flew a Delta MD-90 a while back from Reno to somewhere, maybe ATL. I wasn't really into planes when I flew it, so I don't remember too much about it. It broke before our flight and we were delayed for about 3 hours. I got to sit in the cockpit for a long time, but I do not remember if it was an all glass cockpit. I also remember that every seat had PTVs. There was something odd about them though. They were in the ceiling and folded down.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 7:28 am

I have, a couple of years ago. It was an SK flight CPH-HEL. Very smooth flight, a quiet plane and the (then) new seats of SAS!
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 1:34 pm

oscar2

The MD88 and MD90 have the same type rating. They are just DC9's. The crews take a short class for the few differences but other than that there is no special training.

Delta had an order for around 100 MD90's. After 16 the order was cancelled. There were too many problems with all of the "improvements" made to already working, reliable systems. The V2500 engine which worked very well on the airbus was a nightmare on the 90's. The MD88 fwd strakes were de/anti-iced with bleed air. The system worked well. The MD90's strakes are elecronicaly de/anti-iced. For a long time there was a problem getting the controller to not overheat the strakes. And by overheat I mean to the point of making the metal brittle enough to crack. Some things that should have been changed weren't. Biggest of all the Apu inlet. It is on the bottom of the A/C and it is always sucking in leaking hydraulic fluid. When this happens you get smoke in the cabin which leads to an air turnback. The 88's have suffered from this for years. The first thing boeing did with the 717 is to put the Apu inlets on top of the A/C where it belongs.

The 90 could have been a much better plane if MD had taken more time to test the A/C.
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:49 pm

I fly both the MD-80 and MD-90 for SAS,and as Atlamt states,the typerating is the same.SAS policy is to check out pilots on the MD-90 after 1 year experience on the MD-80.Our cockpits are the "standard" MD-80 layout with partial glass cockpit,there is also a full glass cockpit option which is used on Saudia planes (called the "MD-11" cockpit BTW).The only problems SAS had when the plane was introduced in -96 was nothing but teething problems with the electronic caution systems.The V-2500 engines have proved to be the most reliable engines ever operated by SAS.Also,being FADEC controlled,they are a dream to operate.Hydraulic fluid seeping into the APU air intake is also unknown in SAS,there is a V-shaped device just ahead of the intake to deflect any leaking fluids and it works.
The MD-90 is a dream to fly,being just about everything the MD-80 should have been in the first place.There's a fully hydraulic elevator system iso. the MD-80's DC-9 type system,making for very smooth and precise control in the pitch plane.It is also VERY quiet,both in the cockpit,cabin and outside.The cabin interior in the SAS version is fairly similar to the MD-80,but there are several differences;the forward lavatory has 2 windows,MD-80's having been upgraded to the new SAS standard have only 1.In the MD-90,a seat has been removed adjacent to the forward overwing emergency exits.This means that if you are seated in seats 20A and 20F there is no seat in front of you before you reach row 18.In seat 19B you are all alone on the left side of the aisle.
One drawback with the -90 is that it utilizes the MD-80 wing which is a bit too small for the MD-90 weights and high altitude performance suffers a bit.
SAS has been looking for additional MD-90's for the past few years as the present fleet of 8 is too small for really economic operation.At least 15 aircraft in the fleet is desirable.Ex-Reno aircraft were not up to the technical standard desired,so they were dropped.Latest rumours are that MD-90's from one of the Chinese operators are being looked at.
The MD-90 entered SAS service by accident.When the downturn in the early -90's started,SAS had 18 MD-80's on order.Instead of paying the cancellation fee in much-needed cash,it was converted into an order for 6 MD-90's,the intention being that the planes would be leased to others when delivered.There were no takers,and when the planes were completed,SAS had a need for these planes themselves and ordered 2 additional planes,as well.
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:40 am

fbu_4ever!

Remember that Delta was the launch customer for the 90 many of the problems with the V2500's were worked out before SAS got there 90's.
Fwd to MCO and Placard
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:54 am

I flew on a DL one. The 717 cockpit is nice. I saw an HA one at OGG. It is clean and uncluttered.
 
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Mon Oct 22, 2001 6:21 am

even though SV has had the MD-90 for a few years now I haven't been on any flights yet...  Sad
Unfortunatly it'sroutes are not what I fly usually..but I am trying still!!

I hear good things about it, but not so much from the maintainince personell and pilots!
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RE: Who Here Has Flown An MD-90?

Mon Oct 22, 2001 7:11 am

My first flight was on MD-90!!