flying-b773
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SQ And Cut Routes

Sat Oct 20, 2001 11:50 pm


What routes did SQ operate before and are being terminated? what i know is hangzhou, berlin, sendai. and i saw this is a post somewhere. honolulu.

can smone tell me abt it? Also,when did they operate the sin-honolulu flight and when they stop?

Thanxs a millon.
 
9V-SPK
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:41 am

Cairns, Vienna, Darwin.

SQ was also ready to start Toronto but later terminated the plan as no Canadian airlines were willing to fly to Singpaore.

SQ stopped flying to HNL 7-8 years ago.They operated the flight for 3-5 years, i've got not exact data.

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:44 am

Also Abu Dhabi.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:52 am

Damman, Tehran, Beirut, Bahrain, Malta and Guam (cargo only) - most terminated in the 70's and 80's.



 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:55 am

Bahrain and Dhahran too Smile

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flying-b773
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:03 am

Wah.. it seems tt almost all or all are middle east countries. is it not lucrative or what make they do this?
also, any routes tt they want to fly but they cant?
i only know tt they cant fly the LHR - JFK

anymore?
 
9V-SPK
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:03 am

Ah yeah.
Joint service with Air Nuigini, to Port Moresby.

Kuantan, Saudi Arabia,
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:04 am

Singapore - Toronto.

SQ wanted to fly this route.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:07 am

AirPearl you beat me to it, anyways they still fly to Saudi Arabia, just that the service has been transferred from Dhahran/Dammam to Jeddah Smile
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:08 am

Oh yeah...i forgot Jeddah with their A340!!
Thanx for the reminding!

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:10 am

And seems i keep on posting news....sorry folks but i just keep on thinking of destinatons they flew to!

Moscow (SIA CARGO)

Malay-SIA used to fly to Saigon.

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flying-b773
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:16 am


Kuantan.. interesting... afterwhich, was this route operated by Silkair and MAS? but i think they drop it too.. i think this sin-kuantan mkt is very small.. can i say tt.. haha..
did SIA ever wanted to fly beyond SYD or MEL? onwards to the USA? i was wondering...
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:22 am

Also Medan, which was operated by Singapore Airlines.Yangon is now operated by Silkair.

Got me!I know that MAS and SIA signed an agreement on the Kuantan route.I'm not sure which airline operated the flight.But obviously not Silkair, because Tradewinds was not even established!

Also to Madras, operated by MAS-SIA.

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flying-b773
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:27 am

ic.. so i think the most recent kuantan-sin was cut... it was flown by MAS.. but i suppose its been several years since the route was cut.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:45 am

MAS is going to or already had cut the Kuantan-Singapore route since they announced the rationalization program weeks ago!

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 3:52 am

I understand that SQ is also withdrawing from Kota Kinabalu and Kuching in Malaysia.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:14 am

Hello,

Would anyone have the former routing please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:16 am

Former routing?
On the routes that SIA operated and suspended later?

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:36 am

Berlin as well. (Tegal and / or Schorenfield-whatever)

Sharjah? (Cargo / Pax)
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9V-SPK
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:46 am

SQ flew to Tegal.

For Sharjah i don't think they ever offered any pax flights, but for cargo flights SIA Cargo still flies there.
 
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SQ And Kuantan

Sun Oct 21, 2001 10:20 am

Don't think SQ ever operated SIN-Kuantan. If at all, it was a joint service using MH metal prior to Silkair.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:19 pm

If it was Silkair...maybe that was something later as the route started in 1983.
If it wasn't SQ, then MH operated the route.But were partners.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 3:39 pm

9v-spk,
SQ flew to Schonefeld, not Tegel. I can confirm this since I was on SQ 346 SIN-SXF flight in Summer 1995. It was a twice weekly flight via Zurich.

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sin777er
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:07 pm

Why did they go to all these routes and just cancell them?
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:25 pm

Really?Sorry for my mistake!

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Sun Oct 21, 2001 8:28 pm

Hi Sin777er,

Routes get cancelled all the time when they turn unprofitable/unfeasible, my country's airline PIA have dropped 20 international stations from their network in just the past ten years, some of the routes they had served for more than thirty years, they did bring back Athens though after a years break. Lufthansa quit Pakistan after 50 years of service, and they were operating 8 flights a week routed via the most popular city Dubai but it didnt work out, so these things happen Sad
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 1:19 am

SIA still flies to Saigon which is Ho Chi Minh City and they still fly to Madras which is now Chennai.

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:21 am

HNL was axes when SQ received aircrafts which could overfly it through to the mainland USA. HNL was a low-yield destination as people just stopped over enroute to the destinations. It was also cheaper for them (timewise) to just fly direct to the mainland. HNL has never been a major business destination for asian traffic, and hence along with Asiana and Eva Air years later on, you can only get there from around asia on Japan Airlines, Korean Air, Continental and United. I don't even know if Philippine Airlines still fly there.

SQ did fly to Toronto way back in 1981-82. It was their first TransAtlantic route and they were heavily promoting it prior to their launching the New York route. The route was axed not because 'there were no Canadian airline' that didn't want to fly to Singapore, but because SQ was prohibited from taking passengers enroute from Singapore, notably from Vienna and Amsterdam which it had received full traffic rights to do so. Austria and Netherlands had no objections but it was Air Canada who objected because they claimed that SQ infringed on their traffic by taking passengers away from them. Which was interesting for SQ to document their case because neither VIE or AMS at that time was served by Air Canada! AC also had full traffic rights to SIN at that time, with full fifth freedom traffic rights between SIN and BOM! Unfortunately for SQ, the Canadian Govt sided with AC and advised to SQ that if it wanted to serve YYZ, it can only do so without picking up any passengers enroute from SIN. SQ cancelled the route literally within 6 months of starting it. And within months, got the New York route pushed ahead of launch via AMS and FRA with full fifth freedom traffic rights. It was showing AC hey, we don't need YYZ after all.

For years, Singapore and Canada literally had no permenant air agreement between them. It was renewed only on an annual basis. AC had always been in SQ's bad books after that. Boy they must have bitten the bullet by allowing them to codeshare with SQ on the CPH/LHR-YYZ route now just because of the Star Alliance arrangement.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:59 am

Most of the routes mentioned above are the routes dropped / swapped during the last 20-30 years ...

The most recent routes "suspended" (I guess to be dropped altogether) are:
- Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
- Kuching, Malaysia
- Macau

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 10:24 am

That would also include (though not too recently and not so much fanfare) - Vienna, Surabaya, Cairns, Darwin, Sendai.
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 11:40 am

GuyBetsy1,
I thought SQ still flies to Surabaya. SQ only reduced capacity and not dropped the route altogether, din't it? Also, the flight to YYZ was commenced in 1991.

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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:00 pm

WHy does AC not complain about SQ flying to YVR via Seoul then? Does Air Canada fly the Seoul-YVR route?

I was 9 when I took the SQ flight from YYZ-SIN via AMS and VIE. I can barely remember it, though I do remember that there was heavy turbulance over the Atlantic. It took about 23 hours to get back home.

AC and SQ are now codesharing to YYZ via CPH and LHR. Wonder if SQ will consider launching direct operations there again.

And didn't AC use to fly to Singapore way back in the late eighties via BOM?


 
sin777er
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:04 pm

Then why does AC not care about SQ doing SIN-SEOUL-YVR? SQ only flies 3-4X times a week there?
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:03 am

I will be blessed if SQ starts flying again Singapore - Toronto sector.... preferably with 1 stop at London Heathrow.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: SQ And Cut Routes

Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:36 pm

If SQ would really start a service, I would perfer a stopover in CPN, ARN, or Vienna.

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