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Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:18 am

"A Tunisair cabin crew member fell to her death when she opened the door of Airbus Airbus A300-605R TS-IPB at Djerba. A steward who also fell from the plane was seriously injured. Possible incomplete depressurization is being investigated."

Very similar to the AA A300-600 incident on November 20th last year, when a male F/A fell from the airplane after he opened the door while it was presurized.

Regards.
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:34 am

Oh boy!

we operate A300's on our fleet.. and i fly many times on them.. at least once every week! I think i should take care when i open the door next time!!!!
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:48 am

Didn't the NTSB/FAA issue any ADs after the AA incident?
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:59 am

Are these airports at a high altitude then? Because surely the pressure in the cabin should be kept at the pressure on the ground?

 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:03 am

No, the is presurized when it lands, despite of the altitude, but is slowly depresurized within (of after) 30 seconds of the landing. In the AA incident, circuit breakers tripped throughout the flight and when it landed, it wasn't depresurized. The captain realized this and didn't deplane. However, a fire warning light came on and he told the F/As to evacuate. An F/A opened door L1, and the door was blown out, along with the F/A.

Wonder if the same thing has happened again?
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:09 am

How could the door be opened under pressure? I though the shape of the door prevented this.

Corey777
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:12 am

On heavies, aren't the doors controlled electrically with the console like 5 feet away from the actual door?
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:16 am

The doors on Boeing aircraft and newer Airbus aircraft are built like plugs, so they must be pulled inward slightly before swinging outward. This prevents a door from being opened while the pressure inside the aircraft is higher than the outside pressure. The doors on the older Airbus airplanes do not have this safety feature though; they just swing outward and have a huge latch to hold up to the pressure, so they can be opened while the aircraft is still pressurized. Hope this explains it!

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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:17 am

N17085, not nessecarily. Only on the L1011, DC-10, MD-11 and 767.

Corey777, yes, but when there's a little bit of presure, it may be enough to be able to open the door, but may still cause a lot of damage when the plane decompresses.
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RE: 777236ER

Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:53 am

In the AA A300 tragic incident, was the door actually blown completely off.
 
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RE: 777236ER

Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:26 am

I am quite sure that the pressure in a plane is kept at the pressure of approx. 10.000 ft. This would mean the following:

above 10.000 ft youd be blown out of the plan if the door was opened.

below 10.000 ft. youd be blown into the plan if the door was opened.

I highly doubt that below 10.000 ft there is a higher pressure within the plane compared to outside.

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RE: Yak42

Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:29 am

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X22314&key=1

So, the answer to your questions is yes.
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:33 am

On landing the cabin pressure is maintained to 200 feet BELOW the landing altitude in order to avoid some bumbs of pressure during the flare. Then slowly the outflow valves open completly to unpressurize the airplane (normaly... in this cases it seems something went wrong). On the Airbus A340-A330, there is a light on the door, just below the small window, which tell the cabin crew and/or the ground personal if the a/c is unpressurized (light out).
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:57 am

On A320 and A310, the types I have flown, the doors are equipped with a light as mentioned above. This however does not prevent the door from being opened. It simply indicates that the cabin is not fully depressurised. Admittedly, I hardly ever look at this light when opening the door. My primary concern has always been to ensure that the slide is disarmed before opening the door. From now on I will try to remember to look at the pressure light while opening the door.
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:39 am

Wow, does anybody know if this is likly to happen in other aircraft or is the A300 just particularly prone to this kind of accident. I know the Tu154 has the same type of door.
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 5:23 am

At FedEx we fly the A300/A310 and they have told us to never completely close the plane while it's on the ground for fear that it will pressurize. They require that the aft bulk compartment door be left open until the plane is ready to take off. I don't know if this has anything to do with what you are talking about.
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 5:28 am

Any more cases of an A300/A310 being inadvertantly presurized on the ground?
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 5:30 am

The doors on the older Airbus airplanes do not have this safety feature though; they just swing outward and have a huge latch to hold up to the pressure - all Airbus's have plug doors.
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 8:59 am

"In the AA A300 tragic incident, was the door actually blown completely off."

The door and door frame sustained some damage, but the door remained attached to the aircraft. It was ferried to Tulsa for final repair.


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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:29 am

Why was the door opened when no steps/air bridge were in position?
Asking for trouble......
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:30 am

Just some FYI. Aircraft are pressurized to an altitude of 8,000ft. usually.

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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:33 am

"Why was the door opened when no steps/air bridge were in position?
Asking for trouble......"

They were expecting to use the Emergency Escape Slides...


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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:45 am

"Just some FYI. Aircraft are pressurized to an altitude of 8,000ft. usually."

This statement is correct. On the A300-600 normal pressurization differential pressure (outside vs. inside pressure) is 8.4 PSI and cabin altitude is not allowed to exceed 8,000 feet during flight.



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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:44 pm

A300 and 310 have a red light on the door , just above the handle.
It is part of the F/A duties to check it . If light is on, aircraft is pressurized.
FedexIndy, I never heard about this.
As far as I know:
- You cannot operate main cargo door at the same time as any of the belly doors, because they are all on the same hydraulic system, and there would be insufficient pressure (in the hydraulics)
- Aft bulk is alwways the last one closed. It is always kept open as long as possible for last minute freight.
Hope this helps.
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Nov 06, 2001 3:40 pm

: Spitfire and LMML 14/32,

the A300-600 that we operate on Emirates, has the same lighting feature.. but same here, i just check that the slide is disarmed then i open the door, i dont look at the light ! but i started to
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Wed Nov 07, 2001 7:50 pm



I do confirm this piece of news.
Some passengers were also injured.
The flight originated from Monastir and made a stop
over Djerba as a part of a combined flight to a
European destination.
The flight was cancelled,and of course the wounded
passengers and crew were hospitalized.
The steward is,to my knowledge,still in coma.

777236ER how did you get this information ?

May god continue to bless all the airliners users!!!
 
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RE: Ts-ior

Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:46 am

It was at http://www.aviation-safety.net

I hope the f/a recovers.

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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Thu Nov 08, 2001 10:57 am

why dont they make automatic doors ??
I think it would be safer .
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Thu Nov 08, 2001 2:20 pm

I just got checked out on the A300-600 door during recurrent training. There is a flashing red light on the door that tells you when the door is not safe to open. Maybe it's different on the cargo planes but I don't see how you could miss this light flashing and open the door anyway.
 
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RE: Ts-ior

Fri Nov 09, 2001 11:13 pm



Thanks !

I've no information concerning the steward !
I hope he's recovering !
 
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RE: De727ups

Sat Nov 10, 2001 4:16 am

De727ups, UPS 300s are not different than the passenger ones (or the Fedex )
In fact, the same light is also present next to the handle that allow you to open the forward or the aft. lower bellies.
In the above accident, F/A have been hurt/killed, because they were the first to open a door.
Would a ground handler have opened a elly door without checking the door, he would have been killed by the door popping as a Champagne bottle!!

Message to the 300/310 s F/A: Please, have a quick look at this light before opening.

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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:03 am

Ts-ior,

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RE: Panynj

Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:31 pm

WHAT'S THIS ???
 
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:11 pm

The "modern" airbusses that i have operated on (A340, A319, A320) have a red flashing "Cabin Pressure" light on each door. It flashes when the doors are put into "disarmed" mode (slide disengaged) and depressurisation is incomplete. Therefore you dont open the door for disembarkation but inform the flight crew. Dont A300 have this safety feature? Its to stop accidents like this happening.
 
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RE: BAsteward

Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:59 pm

BAsteward, as I said in my 2 previous replies: Yes, A300 and A310 DO have the light.
But as Fly_Emirates said, quite often people do not check it.
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:56 pm

I remember either reading about this or seeing something on a news program.

I guess there is some sort of insilation in the rear of the cargo hold that is often pulled up in order to smuggles things. Near where this insilation is there is a vent used to depressurize the aircraft.

It was someone's speculation that the insilation had been pulled up to smuggle drugs, then when the pilots attempted to depressurize the cover got caught in the vent there by not allowing the aircraft to depressurize.

I don't know if there's any truth to that, but it seems somewhat plausible to me.

Anyone know anything more about that?
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RE: Another A300-600 F/A Dies

Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:26 am

Teva,

Thanks. I can believe people not checking something else but not this. On the A340, 320 and 319 these lights arew approx three inches by 1 inch and FLASH red. Trust me you cant "not check" them. Its kinda in your face!

Is this the same on the A300 310?

Cheers
Rob

ps Crew who dont check this shouldn't be flying, its a failure of door drills item in training where i come from. :-((

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