cedarjet
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Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 6:03 am

Recently I've been wondering why certain contributors to airliners.net are such die-hard United fans. I mean, United are a big but thoroughly mediocre airline and I can't understand the level of devotion. I've flown with them many times and never had a bad experience (in fact never ever left late or anything), but the food is so-so, the flight attendents are somewhere between Olympic (ie awful) and Virgin (ie fab), their US domestic network is admittedly comprehensive and they've got good coverage on the northern Pacific...I kind of like UAL and I'm sure I'll fly with them many times in the future, but I find it hard to get excited over them. They're just SO AVERAGE in every way. Anyway, I was wondering how they managed to pick up so many hysterical fans and these were my theories til now: Food additives? possible, given the toxic levels of crap found in most airline food. I dismissed this possibility cos most UAL domestic catering amounts to crackers and things, not enough bulk to sustain a bird, let alone hide a serum that would turn a planeload into drooling United fans (and by drooling I mean in a religious frenzy - actually they're just drooling from hunger). Altitude sickness? I know that the cabin air on 744/757/767/777s isn't circulated half as often on the old 727/737/741-2s and DC10s, so maybe people go into a euphoric state of hypoxia cos of the lack of breathable air? A bit like getting stoned but without the frisson of illicit activity? Hey, where's the nearest ticket office? Subliminal messages in the inflight entertainment programme? You know, like those backwards messages on Marilyn Manson records that make normal and balanced teenagers go on shooting sprees? I wouldn't want to meet an armed UAL fanatic in a dark alley if I was wearing my old Pan Am uniform. Trouble with this theory is that the overt content of those channels is so banal that any listener would mentally reject the subliminal message as quickly as they reject the interview with the Postmaster General or the President of the International Hamster Society or whoever nobody is being interviewed that month. So as you can see, I have considered every possibility as to the source of this brainwashing. And I've decided that it is in fact none of the above, it's AIRLINERS.NET itself, just look at the background navy-and-black-striped pattern behind the main list of post subjects. I'm weeping for the future that is in store for all of us, cos I know it's only a matter of time before I forget my beloved Pan Am, MEA, Virgin, Emirates and Cathay, and become obsessed with defending crap food, crap inflight service, and that stupid "Worldwide Service" slogan which is SO not true. But then again, I looove those orange red and blue pinstripes, and when people say "World" they don't really include Africa or the Middle East anyway...AAARGH IT'S STARTING!!!!!
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flyf15
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 6:17 am

LOL Cedarjet! I'm actually a Delta fan myself :)
 
David L
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 6:22 am

Yes, nice one Cedarjet! And I'm a British Eagle fan. Anyone heard from them lately? I do hope they're thriving - just watch them go!
 
B-707
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 6:25 am

Not being a United fan, at least in the way you describe I can't answer for the die hards. I only flew United once and found the service to be average. It was only a domestic flight so I can't really comment on their international service, but to compare United to British Airways or Qantas I can say domestically United laggs behind. On the other hand United are far far superior to Olympic (that's not too difficult though) in every department. You're right about the Olympic FAs. Their facial expressions, when asked to do anything gives the impression their underwear is far too tight.
 
Pat747
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 6:45 am

Hi cedarjet , I'm OK with you about United .
I flew just one time with UA 2 years ago from San Francisco to Maui and back with a DC10 in first Class .
The food was good , the crew was kind but old , but the entertainment and the seats were definitely bad .
I had nothing on my seat to support my legs , and above all the price was very expensive ( more than 3000 $ ) ...
So , I say , not more UA for me , but I do not know the international service , I hope that it is different and better .
I'm a Virgin Atlantic lover ( the crew is very nice ) .
Bye bye now .
Pat747
 
FLY777UAL
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 7:00 am

I'm not a UA fanatic 'per se'. I do fly them (and AA and DL) quite frequently on both International and Domestic routes, and domestically, UA is the exact same as AA, DL, CO, US, AS, etc. In regards to the $3000 OGG trip...that's what you will get on the same exact AA or HA plane going to OGG. If they (all of the airlines) don't have any competition with nicer amenities, then why upgrade their own? UA has some really good flights going trans-con between SFO, LAX and IAD, MIA, JFK, and BOS. All flights are with the 767's (or 777's) in three classes, with international serving standards.

United International is a whole different story...a much, much nicer one, at that! I have flown on AA internationally in Business, and UA's new United Business Class is much nicer than AA. Even in Economy Class UA is extremely comparable to CX (I know I'll get bashed for that remark!)...CX offers the same food, same service, and same amenities as UA...nothing special. If you haven't tried UA internationally, I urge you to...not on a pidly little Mexico City flight...but a Trans-Atlantic flight...it is nice no matter what class of service you're in.

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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 7:14 am

Hahahahaha!! That is great! I noticed the UAL colors in the Airliers.net background and was about to put up a post questioning that! I've never flown UAL, so I can not put in my own opinion about the airline. My mom flew them and she said they were just your standard airline. Personally, I think Swissair is the greatest airline.
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cedarjet
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FLYUAL777: I Rest My Case

Wed Jul 14, 1999 7:22 am

FLYUAL777! They've got you! You've turned into ONE OF THEM! United int'l the same as CX?! Jeeeeeeesus. Let this be a warning to all of us - the future for a victim of the United Syndrome is saying things like United are as good as Cathay (especially in the food department - this is EXHIBIT A). Be afraid. Be very very afraid. A good indication of your condition can be found by listening to Kenny G and thinking it's as soulful as Miles Davis. Then watch Police Academy 14 and see if you get the same level of intellectual stimulation as you normally would from Blade Runner or Fargo or something with subtitles. If the answer is yes than I think it's time to renew that Connesieur Club membership (I'm still clean, I can't spell it yet) and call an ambulence.
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CitationX
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Wed Jul 14, 1999 7:37 am

Wheres that little snootbag United#52 to deffend his favorite airline and his mommy, the best FA in the Universe!

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RE: FLYUAL777: I Rest My Case

Wed Jul 14, 1999 7:42 am

Steady on Cedarjet. These UA zealots have been know to travel great distances ( in great discomfort ) to hunt down the disbelievers. Or maybe they are plannnig to turn the airliners.net convention into a Waco. Remember kids, allways wash your hands after playing with a UA. Rgds DR SpUd
 
FLY777UAL
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RE: FLYUAL777: I Rest My Case

Wed Jul 14, 1999 7:50 am

Oh come on...I fly as often on AA and DL as I do UA...all are average. In regards to the CX thing...I have flown on CX between HKG and LAX (they had no room on the UA flight for us stbys. from UA) and I must say...there was nothing special in Economy. They didn't have PTV's on the 747-400, they didn't have footrests, they had the same amount of food as UA did on the LAX-HKG flight...it's nothing special. Now SIA from what I hear would be a nice, nice trip...and that is who I am looking to go on to SIN in the near future. I hate United Shuttle...I would much rather take AS...at least you get a small food basket with a dinkey roll surrounding a thin piece of pressed ham...so I am not 'one of them'...I love to fly other airlines!

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nwa man
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The Real Reason There Are So Many Fans

Thu Jul 15, 1999 4:56 am

They have huge service in major population centers! Easy as that! I like NWA, as you can see from my username, but they will never have the following that United has, because their hubs are in DTW, MSP, and MEM. UAL has hubs and/or major operations in SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, and MIA, some of the biggest cities in our country. Everyone loves UAL because of their convenience. UAL flies to 5 continents for gods sake, more than any other US airline. Plus, they have 100,000+ people working for them, people that have connections. Thats why there are so many UAL fans.
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RE: CitationX

Thu Jul 15, 1999 7:38 am

If United is such an awful airline, and the flight attendants are so mean, then why have they continuously been the largest airline in the free world since the takeover of Capitol Airlines in 1961? I wouldn't let one little experience sour your feelings about the friendly skies.

I am a United fan, a United freek, high on the friendly skies, you name it. I am proud of it too. I am so nuts about United that after I passed the road test & got my Illinois driver's license this morning, I took an extra set of keys for my mom's Suburban and put them on a keychain that has a huge "flying U" on it and says "Nobody does it better" on the back. I live in the Chicago area (northwest suburbs), and I see hundreds of United planes fly over on their way to O'Hare, and I salute every one.

I also agree totally with NWA man.
 
Hole_Courtney
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Listen To This Now!

Fri Jul 16, 1999 6:39 am

I know that this is off topic but.............

Marilyn Manson does not cause people to kill other people. Thats the biggest bowl of shit I can hear. Give me a break, listening to music does not cause a person to go kill people. I know that this message will be deleted but I want all to hear: people do things on thier own, they do not need the help of Marilyn Manson, Doom, or KMDFM to aid them is this type of violence. Delete this if you must, but i refuse to tolerate beriddlement of Marilyn Manson any longer. Why don't you listen to his music and then see. I bet you only listen to the news for this information, again, why don't you listen to the music for yourself! Don't talk about something that you know nothing about.
Have fun
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cedarjet
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RE: Beware! Brainwashed By United!

Fri Jul 16, 1999 6:50 am

I know (and anyone with half a brain knows) that Marilyn Manson doesn't make any difference to whether a kid melts down and shoots people - how about a shallow, violent and gun-infatuated culture that thrives on disaster, bereavement and the whole grizly aftermath (ValuJet funerals, OJ, whatever). The reference in the above post to MM was meant ironically. I am a big fan of (and know personally) Gary Numan (British electro pioneer turned goth), who Marilyn Manson cites as an influence, and whom MM joined on stage on Numan's 1998 US tour. And this is the kind of music I make for a living as well. Don't worry, Hole_Courtney, no-one is more with you on the debate you refer to. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
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flyCMH
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?Aviation?

Fri Jul 16, 1999 7:22 am

What do the last two posts have to do with aviation? I thought we were past this.
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RE: FLYUAL777: I Rest My Case

Sat Jul 17, 1999 7:04 am


FLY777UAL wrote:
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>I would much rather take AS...at least you get a small food basket with a dinkey roll surrounding a thin piece of pressed ham...so I am not 'one of them'...I love to fly other airlines!

Actually, not a bad point...though that isn't exactly a very flattering way to describe it. It is usually a ham (several peices) and havarti sandwhich with lettuce and tomato on whole grain oatbread served with either an apple or grapes---if you want to know exactly! (and no I don't have an obcession over these things, I just notice details). I think that is certainly better then the ubiquitous pressed ham on a roll that has become quite the standard of airline meals. They also have a quite decent shrimp salad and chinese chicken salad which they serve in coach class, on some of those Shuttle routes. Food ranks near the bottom of the totem poll in things I expect on a flight, but you do notice a difference between stale pretzels and that 

Oh, and by the way UA Shuttle...The Seattle's Best Coffee on AS is better then that bitter Starbucks.
 
FLY777UAL
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RE: FLYUAL777: I Rest My Case

Sat Jul 17, 1999 7:19 am

Ooh...Starbuck's BURNED BEANS! NASTY!

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