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PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:27 pm

After watching CNN, yesterday, they mentioned that PIA were in talks with Boeing.

It has been suggested that PIA are planning to purchase 7 B777-200's.


Any truth in this story ?

I thought it was 4 ??
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:34 pm

What a/c would the 777 replace in the PIA fleet ?
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:41 pm

I read that too... my guess is it'll replace the 747 Classics...
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Wed Oct 24, 2001 11:21 pm

Does that mean that the 5 leased Cathay 743, will continue to operate, or will they be returned.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Wed Oct 24, 2001 11:46 pm

What impeccable timing by Boeing and Pakistan! (and the US Govt.)

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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Wed Oct 24, 2001 11:53 pm

I agree Singapore_Air..... The timing couldn't have been better, I wonder about the discount offered to them.......
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 12:03 am

I'm sure US taxpayers helped subsidize that deal...
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 12:55 am

The Pakistani gov't has gone on a limb to support the US gov't and its ops against Afghanistan. I just hope the Pakistani gov't (such as it is) won't be toppled by its disgruntled citizens.(Remember--Pakistan has nuclear capabilities!) I have no problems at all with PIA getting a deal on some 777s. It's good for Boeing and good for PIA (if they can afford the new jets).
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:13 am

Fine by me if we GIVE them to Pakistan---I'll be glad for my tax dollars to support that.

If/when Sinapore does the same for us---I'll be glad to pay for those aircraft too!
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:23 am

This is really a surprise. I know that with PIA's financial condition for the last few years, PIA has not able to afford new aircraft. But the help of the US govt anything is possible.

I know from the last few weeks PIA has been hurting with its bread and butter routes to the Middle East destinations. Due to less Pakistani's acquiring visas to those countries. I would imagine that the cargo business for PIA is booming since quite a few airlines have suspended air service to Pakistan. I know that Pakistani Businesses are have having a rough time getting products shipped out of the country. I have also heard of businesses canceling contracts with Pakistani manufacturers the same reason (Adidas is one the companies that is thinking of pulling out).
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:36 am

I remember reading not to long ago PIA haveing a hard time getting part for its Boeing fleet due to the sanctions. After reading that article I though if PIA could afford new planes they would have been most likly Airbus.

According to PIA officals, PIA would have broke into the positive in the spring of 2002 and will start modernize its fleet at that time. But this was before the attacks in NYC.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:53 am

I hope this is true and the 747-200 can finally be retired, they should retain the 747-300 though and have the planes painted in their full livery Smile

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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:19 am

Airmale,

That is their new c/s.

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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:38 am

I am sure the only reason why they getting 772 is because they got very good deal from Boeing/ american govt.  Smile
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 5:12 am

So what some of you are clearly suggesting is that neither Airbus nor the EU has ever taken advantage of political influence, timing, or taxpayer generosity to help secure contracts for Airbus...??? This is the height of hypocrisy.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 5:21 am

"So what some of you are clearly suggesting is that neither Airbus nor the EU has ever taken advantage of political influence, timing, or taxpayer generosity to help secure contracts for Airbus...??? This is the height of hypocrisy."

Wingman - Noone is being hypocritical here. We are just being realistic about what is going on here.

Or can you dig out ONE quote from this thread that states "that neither Airbus nor the EU has ever taken advantage of political influence, timing, or taxpayer generosity" or anything similar?

I see no such "clear" suggestion here - but please do inform us...
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:20 am

I am sure the only reason why they getting 772 is because they got very good deal from Boeing/ american govt.

Ummmm............funny.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 8:58 am

For example in reference to Polair's post:

Let's same there is a guy named Bob.

Bob sees a very good sell on a DVD. Although Bob thinks that movie sucks, he buys it anyway just because's it's on sell.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:11 am

Will they obviously need some airplanes, but they probably couldn't afford them, so what do you think it's going on here?
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:14 am

Although I don't believe everything I see or read on CNN, I really hope this is true.

The more I hear about PIA getting 777s the more I believe it.

The 777 would be a great addition to PIA's fleet even though I wished it was PIA A330. Anyway, thats just a wish. I'm not complaining  Smile
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:05 pm

Buying used 747-400s would make a better deal I guess, because even if PIA has been offered a very good deal by the US/Boeing (and I bet that is the truth behind it) the 777 is a very expensive aircraft.

2 PW-powered ex-Air China ones and 2 or more also PW-powered 744s from Korean, all about 10 years old, are currently on the market.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 10:16 pm

Govt subsidies to aircraft manufacturers is nothing new nor anything to be surprised about. Boeing, Airbus, Canadair/Bombardier and Embraer all do it.
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 10:24 pm

Yes, but do they all do it at a time of Diplomatic negotiations?
Hi, Mr Musharaaf, here are 3 extra 777's for your country. Now can we use your airports to launch hround attacks please?
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 10:37 pm

Second hand market, nowadys tons!

Say 4 B744? GO to MH and they are glad about negotiations! P&W powered! And they have three brand new ones coming in and you might at them at cheap prices. Second hand MH B744 ...were on sale as well! 7 yrs old.

Fine you want the more advanced B772. MH has got 2 brand new ones coming next yr. sure PIA can get a deal of that. Or if you want not-so-old-one, then MH also have a lot of them . They are grounding 18 a/c ( I m not sure if it includes the 5 new Boeings)
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 10:52 pm

The 5 new aircraft for MH(3 744@2 772) will be sucured with the help of a American bank. And also these 777's PIA is getting are from United.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:10 pm

I'm sure PIA can utilise the 747 classics, by modifying them to all cargo layout, as PIA have reported an increase in the area of cargo. There 747 combis, could be used for cargo flights only.
 
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:19 pm

Hello?
What about El Al's purchase of 777s over Airbus A330-200s? We've always strong armed our political proteges to do our bidding. Do you seriously think that Israel could have gotten away with buying Airbus? Or Pakistan with buying A340s (not that they can afford them) after the War on Terrrorism is over? Hell, No !! They're probably going to get 777s on very easy terms. Good for them - the 777 is a great plane.
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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Fri Oct 26, 2001 1:02 am

This is not the first time PIA have been offered Boeing planes at concessional rates in 1998 three brand new747-400 ordered by Philippine Airlines were on offer to PK but due to some sinister plan of the then Nawaz govt. they opportunity was lost.

in 1999 just after leasing the 747-300 from Cathay Pacific PIA were in talks to lease four 777 from them too, but the deal fell through due to PK's unsatisfactory financial position. So its not that PIA dont need the 777 and are just taking them because there getting them cheap.They wanted those planes all along.


Na and AirbusLover- I agree with you, PIA should consider the used 747-400 and 777's plus the A330 and A340 available in the market these days as well as the A310. Unless the offer from Boeing is too good to resist.

BA319-131..... This is not PIA's new livery! it was when they leased the 743's also had a beautiful floral design on the tail, but got rejected and earlier this year PK reverted to their Green belly livery as shown below, now only these five 743 are wearing this lousy scheme plus one A300,737 and F27, the 742 and the A310 which were wearing this style have been repainted in PIA's full colours like below and I have requested the MD of PK to have these remaining aircraft also coloured in the airlines full livery, hope he does so.

PIA also need the 747-200M so I doubt those will be replaced by the 777s, as GF-A330 suggested the 742's should be converted to cargo configuration.

Breifly put PIA need the 777 they have always wanted them and preferred them over the Airbus A330 and A340, they're lucky that this offer has come up, perhaps they should consider dividing it between three 747-400 and four 777Love

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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Fri Oct 26, 2001 5:06 am

Another good idea for PIA is a Continental Airlines style livery, but with the Floral tail, the bare metal/ grey belly would cut out the extra White, and put more emphasis on the tail design Smile

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RE: PIA To Purchase 7 777-200's According To Cnn!

Fri Oct 26, 2001 5:13 am

Ofcourse with a much darker green for the background and title Smile
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Fri Oct 26, 2001 10:15 am

Airmale, I made it for ya.  Big thumbs up

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