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What's Happening With The New Etops Rules?

Thu Jul 15, 1999 2:33 am

What is happening with the ETOPS decisions about raising it from 180 mins. for the 777/A330? Is it likely it will happen?

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RE: What's Happening With The New Etops Rules?

Thu Jul 15, 1999 2:58 am

Yes it will be raised to 207 minutes. This will be negative for the A340 competing with the 777 because with this new ETOPS the 777 crossings over the Pacific can be rerouted allowing the 777 users to save time and money.
It seems to be a FAA decision to protect Boeing.

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RE: What's Happening With The New Etops Rules?

Thu Jul 15, 1999 5:08 am

From what I read on Aviation Week and Space Technology, the extension of the ETOPrule to 207 minutes is just restricted to the specific trans-Pacific routes. It will allow a twin (most likely a 777) to fly routes between US and Asia, when under extreme weather conditions, all 3 possible landing strips along the Alaskan coast are not able to handle a landing. The time required to skip these 3 potential landing strips to the next available airport is 207 minutes, thus the extension. Therefore, the 207-minute extension is not going to be commonly used as the 180-minute rule.

To Mirage: the 207-minute extension will not impact the A340 in favor of 777 as you suggested. This is because no airline flying between Asia and North America is choosing between A340 and 777. The extension is really to help airlines like UA to replace 747 with 777 on thin US/Asia routes.
 
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RE: What's Happening With The New Etops Rules?

Thu Jul 15, 1999 6:09 am

I was thinking for example in the route between Singapore and L.A.
Recently Singapore Airlines choosed the 777 over the A340 (already ordered). Maybe this decision was taken because now it's more profitable to operate the 777 due to ETOPS extension.

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