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What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Fri Oct 26, 2001 11:05 pm

Does anyone know what aircraft Airtours use from Manchester to Sanford? Just booked to fly in January and the travel agent doesn't know. I was just hoping its the A330 with the PTV's !!

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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Sat Oct 27, 2001 2:42 am

Probably the A330, its a high density long haul route. I flew Airtours MAN-SFB in February 1997 on one of their 767's (didn't have A330's in their fleet then i think). If you get the 767, your in for a long flight, no PTV's and I found it extremely crampped for the 9hrs! Service wasn't that good either and add to that the delays I had I have been put off choosing Airtours again. Hopefully they have got their act together a bit now and if you get the A330 you should have a good flight!


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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:40 am

Thanks Dem - I have to agree about the service already - we have been asked to pay an additional £30 so that my wife and I can have a meal on the flight (£7.50 each, each way !!).

Is this normal?

I guess I fly on BA to often !!!
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Sat Oct 27, 2001 4:41 pm

If u fly on a Friday on an A330, theres a good chance that the flight will operate via Newcastle.
AIH mainly use A330s/B767s and the occasional DC10 between MAN and SFB.
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Sat Oct 27, 2001 7:59 pm

You were asked to pay £7.50 each for a choice of meal.If you dont want to pay then you just get the standard meal.As for a/c type it will either be a A330-200,A330-300 or B767-300.All these types will be operating the sfb route during the winter.
 
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Quick Question For You Lyndon!

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:39 pm

Lyndon, what is the cabin layout of the Airtours A330? 3-3-3 or 2-4-2? I guess the same question should apply for the 767 although I am hoping that the Saturday flight we are booked on will be the A330 !!

Much appreciated

Rick
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:14 am

In the Premier Gold cabin its 2-3-2 and in the standard cabin its 3-3-3 however this does vary in places due to bulkheads and thr lower deck toilets.If you want extra leg room ask for 8DEF,9ABC GHJ,32ABC DF GHJ.
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:50 am

I am sure the Saturday flight operates direct to SFB and not via any other UK airport.
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:54 am

The Saturday flight is direct, we originally wanted to go on the Friday, but the flight was two hours earlier (around 7.30am) and stopped at Newcastle for 45 minutes. The Saturday flight departs around 9.25am and direct MAN - SFB, arriving around 3.25pm local time give or take a couple of minutes.
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:31 pm

Looks like we have been stitched by the travel agent -
I phoned them up to ask about upgrading to Premiair class and they have now come back to us and told us that the aircraft has a refueling stop in Bangor so I guess that rules out the A330 and probably the DC10 and 767 too. Damn - the whole point of booking the Saturday flight was it was recommended as most likely to have the A330 - we avoided the Friday flight because of the stopover in Newcastle !!

I take it that means we are onboard one of their 757's then?
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:47 pm

Airtours only have 1 DC-10-30 which can fly MAN-SFB nonstop, the other DC-10s are series 10 aircraft, which would have to stop in Bangor, but it definately won't be an A330 or B767.

So you might be flying another carrier, by the sounds of it you might even end up on a Monarch A300!

No UK airlines regularly schedule 757s over the pond anymore.

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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:56 pm


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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:46 pm

Whatever aircraft we are on we have now been told that there is no 'Premiair' section onboard. Anyone got a crowbar to get me in and out of the seat (I feel a 28" seat pitch coming on).

I doubt we will be using a hot spare aircraft though, we have been told that Airtours have canned all of their midweek MAN - SFD flights over the winter with flights only on Friday and Saturday and that none of these flights are direct although Friday's stops in Newcastle and Saturday's stops in Bangor (great my wife just watched Stephen Kings 'Langoliers' so she will never sleep on the plane!!). The Saturday return flight is direct though !!

Anyone know of any decent seats to request on Airtours old DC10's?
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:33 am

Rick,
Good news (sort of!)

I've just checked your flight details against Airtours' winter schedule. Your flight will be operated by a wet-leased SkyService A330-300, C-FBUS.

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MAN-SFB is beyond the range of an A330-300 with a full load against a headwind outbound, so that's why you're only stopping at Bangor in on the way to Florida.

Listed schedule as follows;
MAN-SFB AIH061 0930/1620 333
SFB-MAN AIH062 2225/0700 333

Hope that helps;
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:36 am

Thanks Crosswind, thats excellent news although the return flight time looks a bit quick !!

I have checked on Skyservice's website and it looks like they have a 2-4-2 layout on their A330 in which case its a result !!!

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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:51 am

Crosswind - You have the Airtours Winter Shedule?

Could you tell me which aircraft operates these flights:

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19-DEC-2001 Manchester Calgary 10:45 13:15
29-DEC-2001 Calgary Manchester 15:15 06:45


Thanks!

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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:46 am

Dan, For the dates you've given...

MAN-YYC AIH035 1130/2030 763/D1C
YYC-MAN AIH070 2220/0625 763/D1C

The above timings are GMT, I think Calgary is 6 hours behind us? Anyway, very slight changes in timings, but your tickets will give you final confirmation.

Anyway, the flight will be operated by a B767 except during the Hajj when it will be by DC-10-30. For the dates you've given, I think you can expect B767, although either type could appear for operational reasons. Sorry it's not the A330!

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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:15 am

Crosswind

If your timings are right then this means
MAN-YYC 15 hours
YYC-MAN 2 hours 5 min

I think EGGD is slightly more accurate.

Or am I still suffering from jetlag?
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:19 am

Bugger
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:23 am

No,
As I said in my post above, those times are GMT, which is what airlines use in internal shcedules ad they give a true picture on stage lengths without having to account for time zones.

MAN 1130 GMT
YYC 2030 GMT
Block Time 9h00

YYC 2220 GMT
MAN 0625 GMT
Block Time 8h05
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:27 am

Sorry,
Bottom of my post went missing there!

Yes Islander, you do appear to be suffering from jetlag  Nuts

Regards
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:29 am

That explains why the return flight SFD - MAN looks damn quick then !! Crosswind I am flying on January 26th, how long is the skyservice A333 in use by Airtours this winter?

 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:31 am

Crosswind

My genuine apologies.
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:32 am

Why do i end up with the frickin 767..

btw. thanks for confirming it
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:52 am

Islander, No problem!
You'll have to do something a lot worse than that if you want to upset me  Laugh out loud

Thanks for the apology, but you didn't need to!

Rick,
That flight is shown as being operated by the A330-300 for the full season, 3rd November - 27th April.

Again, the DC-10 fleet provides backup cover, so if Mr Airbus chucks a mental on the morning of your flight, you'll be crossing the Atlantic in a -10.

If you're curious, I've done MAN-BGR-MCO once before, on an Air 2000 757.

MAN-BGR flying time was 6h20
BGR-MCO flying time was 3h00

Bangor is a fairly small airport, and also a NATO airbase. I was there in the winter too, and we landed during a blizzard, it was quite spectacular. If you park up at an airbridge you are able to get off the aircraft and stretch your legs, which is nice on such a long flight. If it's busy and no airbridges are available, they don't bother disembarking you down the steps in a snowstorm and you have to stay on the aircraft! We also had a crewchange in Bangor, not every airline does.

Return flight was nonstop, my longest 757 flight.
MCO-MAN flying time was 7h40

Enjoy your trip, the SkyService A330 does appear to have a slightly more comfortable layout than Airtours' own A330s, but no downstairs toilets and outside cameras!

In the schedule, no MAN-SFB flights this winter are by A330-200, so whatever happened you wouldn't have been on one.

Regards
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:54 am

Why do i end up with the frickin 767..

btw. Is the 767 2-3-2 seating?
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:09 am

If Airtours are anything like Britannia I would guess the 767 will be 2-4-2.

Crosswind, again, thanks for the info, many moons ago (early nineties) I flew with UK Leisure MAN > MCO via Bangor and return on a 757, although I have made a couple of crossings more recently on ATA's L1011's stopping at Gander which makes Bangor look like a metropolis !!
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:13 am

Bangor Maine, home of a certain famous author!!!

Damnit, i really wanted to fly on that damned A330..

Already flown on a 767 (all types)
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:23 am

Stephen King isn't it !!

Weird thing is, my wife and I watched 'The Langoliers' on DVD last night which spends a great deal of time at Bangor airport, with it ultimately getting eaten by the Langoliers (sorry for spoiling it if you havent seen this Stephen King, 'made for TV' classic  Wink/being sarcastic ) She made a comment about 'your not getting me to that airport after watching that', a few hours later I have to break it to her that we will be there in a couple of months !!

Her reply wasn't printable.....
 
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RE: Crosswind

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:27 am

So are AIH using the 332 on NCL-SFB or 333???
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:50 am

This Winter NCL-SFB is scheduled to the opb A330-300 as well, departing weekly on Fridays 2nd November - 26th April.

Aircraft-wise Airtours are operating a complex programme to Orlando-Sanford this Winter;

Belfast
AIH064 D1C/763
Cardiff AIH076 763/D1C - Non Op JAN, FEB

Glasgow
AIH058 332/763
Gatwick
AIH034 763/333/D1C - Ops NOV, MAR, APR Only
AIH046 332/763 - Non Op JAN, FEB
AIH058 332/763
AIH068 332/D1C/763
Manchester
AIH022 763/333/D1C - Ops NOV, MAR, APR Only
AIH042 763 - Ops NOV Only
AIH024 D1C/763 - Ops MAR, APR Only
AIH076 763/D1C - Non Op JAN, FEB
AIH056 763 - Ops NOV Only
AIH062 333
AIH064 763/D1C - No Op FEB, APR
Newcastle
AIH052 333
Prestwick
AIH050 D1C/763 - Ops NOV, MAR, APR Only

Something a bit unusual for you to look out for!
 
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RE: What Aircraft Do Airtours Use Man > Sanford?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:55 am

I guess the NCL-SFB flight ops via Bangor???
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