Konstantinos
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The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:30 am

So, what do you think ?

I like KLM and Vergin most.
Bad ones Alitalia, British and Cronus.
Ugly; Iberia, Alitalia, sabena.

and how about safety recorde ?
 
RoyalDutch
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:50 am

KLM and Lufthansa rock, Bad would have to be Air France, and Iberian wins the hands down ugly award.
 
Staffan
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:00 am

I quite like them all, they all have their small charactristics.
 
Cyril B
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:02 am

-Good ones: British Airways, Air France, Lufthansa, KLM
-pretty bad ones: Alitalia, Iberia
-Ugly: TAP, Czech Airlines, Air Lib
 
BA-747
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:09 am

good= virgin, bmi, KLM, air france, lufthansa
bad= TAP, olympic, alitalia,
and the ugly= sabena, SAS,
 
CPH-R
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:27 am

Good: Conair/Premiair, SAS, Virgin
Bad: Dunno
Ugly: Swissair (but only due to their weird marketing strategy in regards to just buying & buying)
 
*Niels*
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:56 am

Good: KLM, Lufthansa, Spanair, BA, Air Berlin
BAD: Eurofly, Blue Panorama, TAP
Ugly: Luxair (because of there old-fashioned c/s)
 
Bluebellya380
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 4:59 am

Good: Swissair, Lufthansa; Edelweiss is certainly beautiful
Bad: I haven't had a really 'bad' flight. British Airways has certainly pushed the envelope at times...
Ugly: TAP, Iberia (it's time,guys...)
 
777236ER
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RE: BlueberryA380

Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:05 am

BA certainly hasn't "pushed the envelope". They have excellent service, with an excellent safety record.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
sevenair
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:01 am

GOOD: BRITISH REGIONAL, GILLAIR
BAD: JMC
EVIL: EASYJET, VIRGIN(ALL)
 
Guest

RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:03 am

Good: AF, AY, KLM, VS
Medium: Lufthansa
Bad: Monarch, JMC, BMI
 
Guest

RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:04 am

Also BA is good.
 
mb339
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*Niels*

Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:56 pm

Eurofly is not a bad airline but it is very good.
Belive me.
 
*Niels*
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RE: *Niels*

Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:20 pm

Ohh.... perhaps it is.
But my experiences with EEZ were not very great......
 
mb339
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RE: *Niels*

Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:41 am

Where did you go with Eurofly?
And what was the type of aircraft?

Thanks

 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:57 am

Good: Virgin Atlantic, bmi, LH, AF
Bad: The usual suspects
Ugly: British Airways, CSA, British Airways.
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
*Niels*
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RE: *Niels*

Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:13 am

It was in januari this year, and Eurofly flew a Alitalia flight AMS-MXP
The plane was the EI-CMM (MD-83), the stewardesses weren't nice at all. And I didn't get permission to watch in the cockpit... that's why

Niels
 
Konstantinos
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:56 pm

Ow yes, Lufthansa also very good.
any more out there wana comment?
 
IL76
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Good Bad Ugly

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:12 pm

from the airlines I've flown:

Good: KLM, Korean, Finnair
Medium: Lufthansa, SIA
Bad: BMI, Air France
Ugly: none

You'd expect SIA to be in the good section, but I don't like their 'robot-style' flight attendants. They recite their lines in front of you as they were in their schoolbook. brr... I like a more informal approach.
 
VS744
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:16 pm

GOOD: Virgin, BA, Lufthansa
BAD: Ryanair
UGLY: Olympic, Easyjet, KLM

btw: who are vergin?
 
Udo
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:25 pm

I just want to rate the European airlines I have personally flown:

Best: British Airways
Good: Iberia, Air France, Deutsche BA
Not so good: Eurowings

WORST: Lufthansa (bad service, rude FAs, arrogant pilots and ground staff)


I wonder why LH is rated so well by many people...I guess most of them have never flown LH...



Regards
Udo

Me & You & a Plane Named Blue...
 
djb77
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:29 pm

Good: BA, Titan Airways, Air UK (before KLM got involved), Air Europa (charter)
Average: Lufthansa, Condor
Bad: KLM uk, KLM
 
jwenting
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:31 pm

Udo, how often have you flown LH? Maybe you got some bad luck, or other people all got lucky with their aircraft and crew.

I've had some KLM flights that'd make you decide never to fly them again, others that were among the best service I ever had.
The same can be said about most airlines (with exceptions on both ends of the spectrum of course).
I wish I were flying
 
Yorkie
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:17 pm

Don't forget that in Sergio Leone's masterpiece Clint wasn't that good a guy - only compared to the other ones, but the audience needed to identify and side with one guy in the shoot-out. Perhaps all European airlines are bad or ugly.
 
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Jwenting...

Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:23 pm

Don't worry, that's just UDO... If you do a search on him and Lufthansa, you'll find it's his usual little "putdown" for Lufthansa...

"I wonder why LH is rated so well by many people...I guess most of them have never flown LH... "

Well if its rated so well by many people and pretty much only put down by you... Maybe your conclusion should be the other way around...  Big grin



 
BCal Dc10
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:57 pm

Good: BA, BMI
Medium: LH, KLM
Bad: Virgin
Ugly: SleasyJet, JMC

ll76, remind us when SIA became a European airline... I must have been out.
 
EZYcrew
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:58 pm

Good : Swissair (really great cabin crew, clean and modern a/c), British Airways (the best service in the air and on the ground)
Bad : Air France (never know if they're going to be on strike, overall arrogant)
Ugly : Olympic, TAP, Iberia, Alitalia, oh, and of course, Aeroflot (the shame of Europe)
I know you don't ask about non-European Airlines, but I'd inlcude all US airlines in the "ugly" category"...
 
vermeer
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:26 am

good: Lufthansa, SAS, Swissair, Braathens
bad: My poor Alitalia, Olympic, Iberia
ugly: Volare and Lauda ( although the crew is very nice their ground service sucked with me in several occasions...)
 
Guest

RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:35 am

Of the ones I have flown:
Good- British Airways,Lufthansa,KLM.
Bad-Air France,Spanair.
Real Ugly- Iberia!





 
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EZYcrew

Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:45 am

I would also include all IDIOT'S fromSWITZERLAND IN THE STUPID CATEGORY!
 
tripple7
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RE: EZYcrew

Thu Nov 01, 2001 2:09 am

Good: KLM, LH
Average: BA, BM, SR, OS, BU
Bad: AF, IB, OA, SN, SK
Worst: AZ
 
go canada!
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:55 am

good:BA, klm, lufthansa
bad:iberia, tap
ugly@air france and scabiltilia not to mention cyprus airways, air malta and malev.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
 
schreiner
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 5:18 am

Cargolux is nice...
Soaring the internet...
 
nfx
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 5:37 am

what a useless thread...

...would be nice if anybody here mentiones WHY he/she believes airlines are good, bad or "ugly"...
 
prebennorholm
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 6:07 am

Posts on this thread:

Good: Nfx
Bad: none
Ugly: ....!
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
 
fly707
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:01 am

Good : British Airways , Air France , Iberia & Lufthansa
Bad & Ugly : Malev , Sabena , Sas & Tarom.
Without mistakes we will never learn
 
Udo
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Gyro

Fri Nov 02, 2001 10:04 pm

Gyro,

I will some day post my reasons why I dislike LH. Not today, I don't have three hours for writing now.

About my logic: Yes, many people rate LH high though they haven't ever flown them. It's a general thinking here in Germany that LH means German quality and safety. Believe it or not. But go somewhere in a city and ask people on the street about their opinion.
After that, we can go on discussing.


Fly the alternative!
Regards
Udo
Me & You & a Plane Named Blue...
 
Guest

RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Fri Nov 02, 2001 10:38 pm

I'll wait for the post: "Udo's justification", then we can go on discussing...


(I've waited for it quite long now too Udo....)

 
schooner
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Fri Nov 02, 2001 10:55 pm

N17085,
funny how you can say bmi are bad when you haven`t flown with them ? Or pass judgement on VS, BA, KLM, AF or pretty much any other airline that you haven`t been on.
Take your head out of your arse boy.

cheers
Untouched and Alive
 
NG737PSR
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sat Nov 03, 2001 3:21 am

Oh well more fuel to the fire!

Good: Excel Airways (Most punctual charter airline, most modern charter fleet in the UK - but then again I'm biased!) , Lufthansa, Buzz, British Airways (sometimes).

Bad: Alitalia, British Airways (Sometimes)

Ugly: JMC (blue and green should never be seen), Ryanair (Super SUNic plane - yuk!)
 
Staffan
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sat Nov 03, 2001 7:42 am

I've been on 4 flights with LH, and the service we got was good, one flight was late and they did everything they could to get us on the next flight, which they did!

Staffan
 
RJ_Delta
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sat Nov 03, 2001 9:20 am

Hi:

Best: Lufthansa, British Airways, Air France.
Bad: Alitalia, Olympic Airways, Sabena.
Ugly: Iberia, Spanair, SAS.

Best regards,
RJ_Delta.
 
airnewzealand
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sat Nov 03, 2001 6:13 pm

Man Alitalia must be bad!! Nearly everyone has said "bad"...ekk....i think Alitalia better buck up there ideas.....Dont you!! Has anyone had a good flight on them??

Cheers
mikey
 
airblue
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RE: The Good, Bad And Ugly European Airline?

Sat Nov 03, 2001 6:34 pm

AirNewZeland said about Alitalia:

"Has anyone had a good flight on them??"

and that's a good question,but I want to ask to everybody who said that AZ is bad??

Have you ever flown Alitalia??
If so, when and where??
Or you were talking about livery......