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yyz717
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AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:23 am

AC has allocated specifically the 13 A320's inherited from CP to form the AC Tango fleet. Why? Were the 13 CP A320's not otherwise compatible with the existing AC A320's? They are all CFM.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:55 am

I dunno, but maybe those CP aircraft are still in CP colors and need to be repainted anyways? If you move over the AC fleet then you need to paint more planes then necessary. Just my guess.  Smile

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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:02 am


There's at least two aircraft that wore a different rego than the one you mention (C-FMxx). One was actually painted in AC colours (although it was in CP colours before). Take a look:

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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:41 am

I think it had something to do with the inner cabin. I think that the CP ones had the old CP seats and so Air Canada just revampt them with all AC economy class. why change somthing that is not in need of Replacement.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:09 am

Is it true that you have to pay for advance seating on Air Canada Tango?
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:15 am

By the way, the flight number for AC Tango is AC6000 series.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:16 am

The 13 planes were all former Canadian. Most I beleive were still in the original Canadian livery or in Proudwings. Also the interiors were Canadian's.
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:58 am

Yeah about 7 or 8 of the ex-CP 320s were in eithere Proud Wings or old CP. A couple were in transitional, while the remainder had full AC titles. But the interiors were still old CP. I flew on FIN401 in August, Full AC colours, but the interiors were still old CP. Cheaper to convert those to Tango than taking mainline aircraft. Plus, the 13 320s gives Tango its own series of fin numbers in the 400s, while keeping AC mainline buses in the 200 series of fins.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 12:02 pm

Thanks for your responses guys!

Neil/Toronto

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 12:10 pm

The former CP A320's each require approximately $3 million in upgrades in order to match the AC 320's. This may have something to do with those a/c being used for Tango.

I'm not sure if these upgrades have been made or not, and I'm not sure what the upgrades entailed. I will find out and post them if someone else doesn't post the reasons in the meantime.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 12:36 pm

I'm really very interested to hear what those upgrades are. If anyone know please speak up.
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 12:40 pm

How much work have they done to the interiors of the Tango planes? I'm sure there's at least a bit of stuff needed to go with the whole Tango scheme.

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Re: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:07 pm

Jase WGTN: According to Tango, as a special introductory offer, you're allowed to pre-book your seats, but the wording sounds like you'll eventually have to pay if you want to pre-book your seats.

Another thing I found interesting about Tango was that originally they were going to give you headphones for free, but now you'll have to pay $5 for them. Also some of the fares have been adjusted such as YYZ to YVR which has fallen $10 than originally published.
 
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Re: AC Tango A320 Question

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:15 pm

Hey Marrty....yeah it would be great to hear about the CP A320 upgrades!

Thanks
Neil
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:33 am

The only upgrades I can think of are the seats. But other than that you'd think that they are the same.
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:40 am

You guys probably know this, but their website now has a seatmap of their A320 configuration. Maybe this could help in determining what they have done to the aircraft.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:36 pm

If they were to be mainline, here are some thoughts on what might need to be overhauled, other than the seats: the overhead bins, the galleys, washrooms, new movie sceens under the bins instead of above the aisle, where nobody that is not in an aisle can't see them. Maybe some cockpit upgrades as well.
 
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RE: AC Tango A320 Question

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:52 pm

Every operator that buys new aircraft has their own individual set of options. While AC and CP's A320s both have CFM engines, there may be hundreds of smaller parts that are different. Beyond the passenger cabin (where you guys have already mentioned seats, in-flight phones, overhead bins, galleys, etc etc) things such as different model APUs, heavy-duty brakes, different avionics packages are all parts that an individual operator may choose. It's like choosing the options on your car...

For companies like US Airways, which was an amalgamation of many smaller carriers, you'll often find vastly different cockpit arrangements, despite the fact that all amalgamated companies operated the exact same type/model of aircraft (eg 737-200). This *can* be dangerous to crew in an emergency ("I thought the port wing #2 fire extinguisher panel was here...")

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