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ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:55 am

Hi -

I'll be travelling on an NW/Mesaba Jetlink Avro RJ (=BAe146?) soon, and this'll be my first time ever flying that aircraft. I'm sure a lot of you have flown this plane before, and I just wanted to know what you thought about it.

How are the legroom and noise levels compared to other NW aircraft used on those routes... say such as DC-9 and A320? Is there a best place to sit on the aircraft that any of you prefer? (Right now I'm assigned to 11E and I'm looking to change that!) Anything else special I should know before flying this "Jumbolino"?  Smile

Thanks in advance for your advice!
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:57 am

I love the BAe146. I flew on a UA Express one, it was great. Although it was a short flight, it was great. The 4 engines give it a lot of thrust and just power it into the air. The legroom was fine all and all. I loved the performance of the plane. It was great! Have a great trip.
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:07 am

My Father flies the Air Wisconsin/United Express BAe 146's, and I of course have flown on them many times. It is truly a wonderfull plane, and I'm suprised no other RJ manufacturer has tried to copy it.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:00 am

I flew in one on Qantas and loved it. It was my dream a/c and I had never been in one before.

I was able to sit in the cockpit during descent and landing and as the pilots and I spoke, they raved over its handling + performance too.

As far as noise goes, there was a sign in the cabin warning us that "loud noises" heard on departure and arrival were flaps, so it was a basic don't worry sign.

I sat in row 11(or12) just aft the wing and flaps and the engines were loud enough, but not so much that you couldn't read a book.

I can't wait to board one again.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:06 am

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:13 am

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:51 pm

I've flown about 100 segments on Mesaba ARJ-85s since I started working here. And I LOVE them!! The passengers rave on them.

The best seats are definitely the first two rows in first class. In the third or fourth rows, engines pretty much block everything from view.

In coach the best row is the very last. There is a little more leg room and you also get an unobstructed view. Anywhere past row ten you're okay as far as the view, but the further back you get, the less distortion and blurriness you get via the engines. And, in the back, you can actually watch those enormous flaps go down (along with that famous groan) before landing.

In coach (if you can't get an upgrade) sit in 15A or 15F.

Great plane. Powerful takeoffs. Smooth as silk landings.

It's kinda loud in the back, tho.

But I like that.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 4:06 pm


The Aussie Bae146's are crap. (QF)

Tiny legroom no entertainment, engines in way of window views.

If you can choose another aircraft.

Just my opinion.
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:11 pm

Oops! I have not given this aircraft good recommendations on A.net in previous posts! Innocent

It's my personal experience and even though I have only flown on it twice from this pax point of view it is noisy especially in the back, the engines obstruct a lot of the view from certain seats, and it may feel cramped if you are tall. It's the only aircraft I've flown on so far where I have felt slightly ill afterwards, mainly due to a pressure-type headache.

I have heard certain cases of flight & cabin crew getting sick or having ill effects when flying on this aircraft. It has something to do with the air quality & circulation of the cabin air during flight. I wouldn't say my experience was this bad, but I do try to avoid flying on it if I can.

In it's defence! however I must say the landings and take-offs were really good and it's seems to have good stability during the descent and mild turbulence and doesn't sway like some aircraft do.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:10 pm

I've flown the 146's many times, mainly with AirCal, and PSA, back "in the day."

Anyway, the OC ones were quite nice inside, although they were loud. Another thing I remember was the size of the plane. Perhaps the Avro is different, but the 146-200 was -very- small...the celing was low, and it was hard to squeeze into the can...

However, it was a great plane. Loved her a lot.

 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:30 pm

Can't understand why people complain about the engines blocking the view.At least there is no wing in the way.
I love the 146 because it dares to be different.
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:35 pm

Ive flown it (mesaba, actually!) and It was really nice...except for the fact that on both flights, it smelled like they'd forgotten to empty the toilet...disregarding the smell, its a nice plane. I sat behind the wing, and got to see all the control serfices work and stuff...from underneath, which isn't something you see often. All the seats have a nice view, too...because of the high wing.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:03 pm

I've flown on a Mesaba Avro twice, and I loved it both times. Mesaba's RJ's have 33" of pitch which is 2 or 3 inches more than most planes, and the seats are very comfortable. And it's a very quiet plane, too.
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:54 am

My colleague HSVXJ hit the nail on the head! I"m a first officer for XJ on the Avro and although I usually sit up front... waaay up front in the prize seats, the FC cabin is the best if you can get an upgrade. If not, the rear of the a/c is best. Bigger overhead bins than the middle of the a/c due to the fuel tank, large seats, unobstructed view etc... The rear is a bit liud though due to the air intake valve in the rear ceiling above the aft FA's jumseat. If the crew puts the air in FRESH it will be more quiet, but that isn't standard procedure, so don't get your hopes up. This a/c is a dream to fly and the pax rave about it when they deplane. It is wider than a DC9 so you won't feel like you're on an RJ. Have fun and maybe I'll actually be flying your plane!

Enjoy the red tails and what XJ has to offer.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:09 am

I have flown Mesaba's ARJ only once and that was on the early morning MSP-PIT run. It was a very enjoyable experience plus I got the back row. I loved that plane also because "it dared to be different." I enjoyed looking up at the wings and having a clear view down below. I dont have anything bad to say about the ARJ. I found it to be much more roomy then NW DC-9's.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:22 am

Azjubilee -

NW3559 11/21/2001  Smile

Seriously, send me an email (incrediblus@hotmail.com) if you really think you'll be flying it  Smile
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:40 pm

Yak40, I had a chance to fly on Mesaba's Avro RJ's several time and I loved it. It's a very nice flying airplane, very roomy and quiet, it won't feel like you're on a regional jet. If you happen to seat next to the engines, your view might be somewhat restricted, but it's not bad at all. The only one fault I could find with the airplane were the noise levels in the cabin when the flaps are deployed. It's not loud really, but it might feel so in contrast to the noise levels during cruise, since the plane is so quiet. All in all it's a great airplane, I'm sure you'll enjoy flying on it. And if that weren't enough, it also 'dares to be different' as some people pointed out earlier.  Smile Have a nice flight!
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:27 am

The flap noise everyone hears, which is definitely a strange one is only when the flaps move between 0-18 degrees. This happens in both directions due to the air flow that occurs in the small space between the wing and the flaps. Think of it as a whistling noise due to rushing air. ONly is sounds more like a freight train or a t-rex roar. Very odd... but that makes the chubby unique! GOtta love her...

YAK: I don't know my schedule for 11/21, as I am on reserve due to the cutbacks. But, if I get called to fly, I'll send you an email. Not sure where 3559 takes you though... we'll see.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:21 am

AZJ:

3559 takes me CLE-DTW as I said in my starter  Smile
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:24 am

Dude, I read your post for the first time yesterday... I'm sorry I didn't remember it word for word.

The chances are VERY VERY slim I'll be flying your flight. But, you never know.


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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:39 am

Very loud when they retract/extend the flaps. Otherwise it's like every other plane...
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:13 am

AZJ -
Hehe, didn't mean for what I said to come off the wrong way, just clarifying where I was going.  Smile
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:03 am

Trident 3 is right.

How can you complain at the engines, when you are flying or even on the ground, why would you want to look up, what is there up. when you are in the air you only need to look down, and the engines don't obstruct your view enough to not see anything when you are on the ground.

'Longreach' - you should hold QF responsible for the engines being in front of your window, and i don't know about tiny legroom (i thought there was more on QFlinks 146's than there was on BA/QF 747's) and who needs entertainment on such short segments when there is so much cool landscape to see???

Do you really love flying at all? Or do you just want to moan at it..

Woah, that was a crazy personal attack, i must be a bit temperamental this evening.

Its a cool little aircraft, only problem is the toilet (you'll find out why, although i don't know whether they changed it for the Avro's). The flaps and landing gear was the best part!!

Regards

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:20 am

That plane ROCKS! Just too bad we don't see them much more here in the Northeast  Sad Bring them back to lower NY, please!
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:27 am

Mirrodie: the avro still flies 2 daily flights to HPN and 1 I believe from DTW. ROC and BUF might get Avro flights as well. WE're going back to PWM for November. Don't look for too many new places the Avro will go. NW is giving all the love to the CRJs at Express right now. The game that NW is playing continues. Airline Chess, where Express and Mesaba are the game pieces.


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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:30 am

One thing I should add, when the landing gear opens on a Bae-146 you feel one serious kick, more noticeable than on most other commercial aircraft. So you will KNOW when it's coming down  Smile

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 9:11 am

AZJ, thanks! Funny but after my last post, I searched HPN's website and got that NW operates HPN-DTW and HPN-MSP. Too bad the fares are astronomic.

Know of a good time when fares are down?

Airline fares will always blow me away. I rode NWA in May for $125! From LGA-MEM-FLL and returned FLL-DTW-LGA. I just wish I could nail an RT to DTW for 150! just to ride the avro!

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 9:43 am

I flew in a Crossair RJ100 from ZRH to BHX several years ago. Nice and roomy, leather seats and only about 10 pax on board. Fast and nippy - the aircraft equivalent of a sports car. Love to photograph them too, with the steep angle of descent and nose down approach.
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:00 am

The BAe 146 is a nice plane. I like flying on those things, and I've flown on them several times mostly on the Edmonton-Vancouver route, mainly on AirBC and once on Air Nova. Both airlines are Air Canada's regional subsidiaries, of course.

The legroom isn't too bad IMO, and as long as you're not sitting halfway up the economy class section, the view isn't bad at all. The noise level inside is not as quiet as it is on the outside, strangely enough, but it's not really that loud compared to a DC-9 or a 732. You can definitely hear the noise from the flaps, though.

Its takeoff speed can be a bit slow, but it's a very, very stable aircraft. I fly the YEG-YVR route a few times a year, and the turbulence can be rough, but I've never had a rough flight on those planes.
 
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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:03 pm

I have never flown on them but I have photographed them twice....

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They really are an interesting looking plane

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:18 pm

Just try and avoid the window seat in any 146/RJs configured in 6 abreast seating (I'm not sure what the Mesaba or Air Wisconsin a/c have). I had the window seat in an East-West 146-300 with 6 abreast seating and it wasn't the best experience I've had.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:16 pm

I have flown about 50 sectors on Delta Air Transport's (Sabena colours) AR 85, 100 and BAe 146 a/c.

From a cabin noise level point of view they are just great. Even behind row 8, nothing more than the noise level of four giant vacuum cleaners.

If you are a freak for watching the flaps extend and retract and feel that sturdy main gear rumbling into the bay beneath your feet, choose a seat between rows 7 and 10. Also noteworthy the whining sound of the slipstream when the flaps are travelling.

The planes have a remarkable short-field capability. I ususally have a flight on Sunday evenings from SXB to BRU when there are hardly any passengers on the plane (5 to 10 pax average); needless to say those take-offs are breathtaking. Last Sunday saw the record: 16 seconds from brake release to Vr (although only 5 passengers onboard AR 85 OO-DJT for the 180 NM trip to BRU)!

The tailcone airbrakes and the sturdy main gear always remind me of the Blackburn Buccaneer low-level attack bomber the Royal Air Force used to operate.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:53 pm


The early models were a heap of sh**e, I should know as I was involved in the assembly of MSN001 to 091.

The flaps make a horrendous noise, coupled with other 'noise' (power transfer unit in the hydraulic bay, u/c extension etc etc) make the flight an unpleasant one. This is the one aircraft type that made my ears go weird every time I flew in one.

I hope that the new RJ range are better, from what I have read they are. Just hope and pray you are not flying on an early build a/c.

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:00 pm

It's a nice aircraft to fly!

For some inflight pictures, check out my website at

http://users.pandora.be/PowerCorruptionLies

Go to AVIATION-->A/C PHOTOGRAPHY, and click on BAe/AVRO. Enjoy

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RE: ARJ/BAe146: What's It Like?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:12 am

Delboy... Mesaba operates the largest fleet of AVRO RJ85s in the world. These are the second generation of the 146 with many improvments. YOu can only hear the PTU when the hyraulics aren't on. I assure you, that the Avro has made the second generation 146 a good family... now for the RJX... even better.

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