karliboy
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Emirates Most Successful Route!

Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:26 am

In an article at www.icbirmingham.co.uk, the BHX-DXB service has been hailed as its most successful route in its 16 year history...by Emirates themselves...beat that manchester!
 
757man
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:54 am

I'm surprised to hear this.....How come they dropped the Tuesday inbound from DXB? Plus, they are only flying low density A330s into BHX at the moment.

Good news all the same though.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:50 am

Read the full article on www.icbirmingham.co.uk
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:37 am


italics = article, plain = me

Long haul's flying success Oct 26 2001

A prestige long haul air route between Birmingham and the Middle East was today declared as the most successful ever operated by the airline concerned.

A spokeswoman for Emirates said the Birmingham-Dubai route had proved to be the best ever in the 16-year history of the airline.

"We had high expectations when we started the route and we have not been disappointed - in fact, rather the opposite," said the spokeswoman.

"This has been the most successful route that Emirates has ever operated anywhere."


Totting up the CAA statistics for Jan to July:
MAN-DXB 101,012 pax average of 238.24 per flight, a rise of 4.68%
BHX-DXB 69,189 pax. Not worked out average.


"There has been some reduction in the number of people flying since the events in New York, but nothing too significant.

"In general we are still very satisfied.

"Those airlines that have been hit more are the ones that operate a Transatlantic service and Emirates does not. It also has the advantage of offering so many routes around the world from Birmingham via Dubai.

"Many of the passengers flying from Birmingham to Dubai then fly on to India, Africa and even Australia."

The spokeswoman said the airline had only stopped its Tuesday service from Birmingham - the flight normally operates seven days per week -because it was traditionally such a quiet day.

"The number of passengers on Tuesday flights has traditionally been low because Thursday and Friday is the weekend in Dubai,so by the time businessmen travelling on a Tuesday arrive there is only one day of business before the weekend.

"For that reason other days are far more popular among the business fraternity and that is why we have not operated Tuesday flights recently, but this will be reviewed at the end of this month."



And in the meantime, we, the vastly underperfoming MAN, continue to have DAILY flights.

And the reported flying programmes for the two airports:

Manchester.
Normal A330-200 High Density operation throughout the month, except for the 4th, 9th and 10th when it will be a B777-200 High Density. Tuesday 6th and 13th operates as EK8036 via Birmingham and this is likely to continue on subsequent Tuesdays.

Birmingham.
Normal A330-200 High Density operation for most of the month, except for the 1st, 5th, 8th, 12th, 17th, 19th, 22nd, and 29th when it will be an A330-200 Low Density. Tuesday 6th and 13th operate as EK8036 through from Manchester and although not yet finalised, the same is likely on subsequent Tuesdays.


David/MAN: 270 and counting
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:38 am

Dubai-Whitehorse. Its seasonal.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:49 am

Why isn't it DXB-LHR?
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karliboy
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:15 am

hey ...you wanna argue figures or success of a flight manchester boy then take it up with Emirates...after all, the information comes from them not me!



David boy, 200 and something or other and counting what?
What a schmuck!
 
David_itl
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:24 am


PanAm747

If I could breakdown the DXB-LHR route into how many went of Emirates and how many on BA, I would have posted it.

Of course, Emirates fly 3 times a day between DXB and LHR, so we can imagine they carry at least 3 times as many as they do through BHX i.e. about 210,000 passengers.

I think we need to know the precise defintion of "most successful" to actually know what we're debating.

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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:31 am

Karliboy

Can't face the fact that MAN is trouncing BHX on this route in terms of passenger numbers?

I'd rather believe that DXB-LHR is much more successful than either the BHX or MAN routes.

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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:44 am

EK to Dubai
BHX: 65% pax loads
MAN: 90%+

BTW, my local airport is NCL so I aint biased to MAN. The MAN flight is trouncing BHX, so i cannot believe this article.
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karliboy
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:27 am

like i say..take it up with Emirates....who are in the know!
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:49 am

I think the main reason for the non-op of the Tuesday flight is that Wednesday provides poor connections from Dubai for people connecting thru DXB. In fact this is also why during the downturn, DUS and ZRH flights were not operating.

MAN has outperformed BHX by a mile this year. The stats show that. Also MAN is waiting for the 2nd daily, well ahead of BHX. While this might be pushed back a few months due to the incidents of Sep. 11 and general travel apprehension, i have no doubt that MAN will get the double-daily ahead of BHX.

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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:08 am

Everyone out there.....i think it would be wise to stop arguing now...If Emirates777 says that MAN is more successful then take it from me, he must be right. The guy is an authority on EK.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:12 am

I said its DXB-Whitehorse. They operate it every 6th Friday to coincide with the Mecca Iditarod Competition from February 1st to July 1st, then they restart from July 5th-July 10. Then thats it till the following December when they operate it only on Christmas day.

Please dont ask me to tell you that again.

Its the craziest schedule this side of Bemidji.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:29 am

You're right Boeing757fan, everyone else is wrong!

A friend of someone my grandma once met flew Dubai-Whitehorse and the flight was full both ways, the same lady flew Dubai-Heathrow and there were 2 spare seats in economy going out, and a spare Business seat flying home, so it's pretty obvious that Whitehorse is a more successful route than Heathrow for Emirates...
 
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RE:Crosswind...

Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:09 pm

Damn, what a coincidence!

 Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:10 pm

I am sure what Emirates are saying is that the BHX service is the most succesful route it has ever started ..i.e first year of service ..no way can you compare BHX to MAN which has now been in operation for many years...any new route takes time to build up..The question is what were the PAX numbers on the first year on the Manchester service?

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RE: DXB-Whitehorse

Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:12 pm

Nope, its DXB to Whitehorse... Crosswind is proof.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:08 pm

Why do people always get on here and turn things into a regional slanging match ??  Sad

That article has more spin in it than a washing machine.

All credit to EK for making BHX a success.  Big thumbs up However, as has already been posted on here, the statement has been reproduced out of context.

EK were referring to the fact in its first year of operation, BHX has been the most instantly successful NEW ROUTE.

What also wasn't reported in the article is the fact that the BHX route's success is due to revenue from freight and not from pax.

And before you start getting personal and throwing your toys out of your pram Karliboy, the stats speak for themselves. Anyone who resorts to insulting fellow posters has already lost the argument.  Pissed

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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:58 pm


Derek

We can't do a fair comparison becuase Emirates began operations in November 1990 on a twice weekly basis and increased frequency over the next 7 or 8 years to make it daily.

BHX has been lucky inasmuch as getting new flights operating at frequencies which took MAN years to achieve (CSA to Prague being another prime example!).

David/MAN
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:24 pm

It is not about load factors.

I think the most successful route has more to do with the money. Maybe MAN has more passengers than BHX but BHX may have much business travellers who pay more for their ticket. This way the company makes more profit. And what about cargo etc..??
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:59 pm

Why cann't some people accept the BHX service has been a huge success in its first year.Birmingham has its own catchment area and there is life outside London And Manchester.David you are taking this too serious.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:49 pm

I think we are all big fans of Emirates and so I hope you will join me in wishing them the best of luck for both routes, Manchester and Birmingham.

 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:00 am



it's just a GREAT colourscheme!!!!!
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:25 am

Could someone please tell me where Whitehorse is?

Thanks  Wink/being sarcastic
 
757man
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:01 am

After reading the article on the icbirmingham website, it is clear EK mean that BHX-DXB has been the carriers most profitable NEW route, as someone else on this thread pointed out.

For those of you that can remember previous postings of mine, you will know that I'm a BHX enthusiast. You'll also know that I have the utmost respect for MAN as well. The EK service out of MAN is indeed a money spinner for the airline, it is an established route and it will get a double daily service. I'm sure I read somewhere that MAN is one of EK's best international services in terms of load factors.

However, BHX-DXB has actually performed better than EK originally forecast and I think the carrier is quite surprised at how well this route has performed in it's infancy. Credit has to be given to the BHX service, it has done very well and the route is still less than twelve months old. EK starting making profit on the route last February infact.

I really don't understand why some people see this thread as another BHX vs MAN debate. I've said it before and I'll say it again - The regional airports should stop competing with each other and try and draw as much traffic from LHR and LGW as they can.

MAN is a much bigger airport than BHX, but the latter is getting bigger in physical size each year. BHX will never catch up with MAN in terms of PAX numbers and the amount of international traffic, but it WILL be the UK's second largest gateway outside of London. I also think EK will introduce a second daily BHX-DXB service a few years after MAN receive theirs.

Regards to all BHX and MAN enthusiasts.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 4:12 am

Here Here! 757MAN....couldn't have said better myself!
 
757man
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 4:22 am

EK service from BHX-DXB is currently averaging 90% loads according to one of the BHX discussion sites
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 4:24 am


757man

Yep...the cake is big enough for both our airports. Hopefully, more airlines will actually open their eyes to the possiblities away from LHR and LGW.


Karliboy

...by Emirates themselves...beat that manchester. Umm, not exactly broadcasting peace and harmony between MAN and BHX in the topic header were you  Confused

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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:48 am

Anyway NCL is a much friendlier airport than MAN and BHX.  Smile
BTW Any word of GLA getting Emirates service in the next 2 or 3 years???
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karliboy
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:03 am

acting your age and always getting the last word springs to mind IT boy
 
karliboy
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:09 am

Actually David...i've had enough of this!
Please accept my apologies for dissing Manchester.
Peace and harmony SHALL prevail between us

best regards Karl

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Two BA 767's Stored At Bhx!

Thu Nov 01, 2001 2:52 am

Moving away from the topic of Emirates, I noticed the first of two BA767's arriving at BHX for long term storage yesterday. I think one of them was G-BNWY, not sure of the other. Not even sure how many will be stored at BHX.

Any of you MAN/NCL guys got anything interesting stored? I seem to remember the ex BA DC-10's were at MAN for what seemed like an eternity!

Nice to see some uncommom visitors at BHX for a change, I even saw an RAF Tristar parked on the western apron last week, I think it was a medivac flight.

 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:21 am

As far as I'm aware there are 2 747s and a 767 at MAN (I'll have to find out the registrations). As long as they are gone before a certain event next year, I'll be happy  Wink/being sarcastic

David/MAN: 267 and counting: peace and harmony to Karliboy!
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Tue Nov 06, 2001 7:29 am

Nothing at Newcastle. What about GLA or PIK?? CWL has a few (7?)742s.
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Tue Nov 06, 2001 7:49 am


We appear to have lost everything we had to CWL  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Future "interesting" ? Suppose this'll do: if you're in this area on Friday evening, you can see the 1st JMC A330 on delivery - it's expected to arrive at 19.30.

David/MAN: 262 and counting
 
757man
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Nov 07, 2001 2:50 am

A Tarom A310 appeared at BHX earlier, we don't get many of them appearing. Another nice airliner I like to see is the first CRJ-700 for Maersk, although I'll get bored of them soon enough, just like the BA A319 fleet.

Nice to see JMC is finally getting a decent widebody type in the shape of the A330 though, those rotton DC-10's are well past their sell by date.
 
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Nov 07, 2001 3:08 am

Hey,
EK made substancial profits on this route when it began in December 2000 and themselves were very shocked at the demand this service required.
Most aircraft operating into BHX by the way are High dense.

The flight is succsessful and the Tuesday Inbounds are back - that was for October only. For more details on BHX and its operators visit http://www.bhxonline.co.uk/

Marc
 
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RE:David_itl

Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:34 pm

Is it next wednesday that the A340-600 visits MAN??
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David_itl
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RE: Emirates Most Successful Route!

Wed Nov 07, 2001 7:01 pm


It is allegedly! Daytime (think it's mid-morning) on Wednesday and for the night-hawks around 1am on Thursday.

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