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Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:06 pm

Qantas Buys Boeing 737-800s
Sydney, 28 October 2001 :

Qantas Airways Limited said today it had selected the Next Generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft to add immediate capacity to its Australian operations.

Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said agreement had been reached for an initial order of 15 aircraft.

Options had been taken on another 60 aircraft to progressively replace existing 737-300 and 737-400 aircraft and to provide for growth.

The first aircraft would be in service in January. The remainder of the first 15 aircraft would be progressively introduced between February and July 2002.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had worked closely with Boeing and its oneworld™ alliance partner, American Airlines, to facilitate the speedy introduction of the aircraft.

The aircraft will come from existing orders that American Airlines had in place with Boeing.

"American Airlines will assist Qantas with technical advice, simulator training for pilots, spare parts and engines," he said.

Mr Dixon said the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows. They will be fitted progressively with new slimline seats.

The new aircraft will enable Qantas to meet the demand created by the collapse of Ansett Airlines and to provide for growth in all sections of the Australian tourism industry.

Mr Dixon confirmed that, as announced last week, the Boeing 737-800s would be the cornerstone of revamped Qantas domestic operations that will feature:

- the new aircraft, with an all economy class configuration of at least 165 seats, operating on services where there is small or no demand for business class travel;
- reconfiguration of a number of existing Qantas Boeing 737 aircraft to create a total fleet of about 40 all economy class aircraft;
- flights between Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane operated by larger, two class, wide body aircraft (Boeing 767s or Airbus A330s);
- regular two class Boeing 747 services between Perth and the East Coast of Australia and on long haul leisure routes;
- a significant increase in direct flights between capital cities with fewer stops at ports in between;
- an extension of the extremely successful Cityflyer service, which currently operates between Sydney and Melbourne, to Brisbane;
- expanded Qantas Club lounges;
- enhancement of the Frequent Flyer program with additional partners such as Diners Club.

Mr Dixon also announced that Qantas had decided to enter into a 10-year strategic alliance with American Airlines, the world's largest airline. Details of the agreement will be finalised in the next few weeks and will involve:

- Qantas using American Airlines specifications as standard for the replacement of the Qantas single aisle fleet (for example Boeing 737s), creating opportunities for short-term leasing between the airlines to cater for peaks and troughs in demand;
- Joint purchasing;
- Qantas progressively relocating to the American Airlines terminal at Los Angeles airport;
- Qantas commencing Auckland-Dallas-Auckland non-stop services when the new, long range Boeing 747-400 is delivered in late 2002. Dallas is a major worldwide hub for American Airlines, particularly to all major North American and South American cities;
- Expansion of the codeshare agreement between the two carriers;
- Expansion of the Frequent Flyer agreement.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had made a huge financial commitment to purchasing the new 737-800 aircraft despite real concerns about Government decisions to subsidise both the operations of Ansett Mark II and the expansion of Virgin Blue.

"As an airline, we have been outspoken against Government ownership of airlines, which is the ultimate form of subsidy in the international market," he said.

"We now see Governments and prospective Governments of all persuasions subsidising and proposing other assistance to our domestic competitors, one of which collapsed through management failures, overmanning and outmoded work practices.

"To subsidise particular airlines on selected routes will create distortions that could harm the industry for years to come.

"Using taxpayers' funds to prop up our rivals is the antithesis of what has been preached in Australia about competition in recent years," he said.

Mr Dixon said that after six years of very effective performance for Australia as a fully privatised company, it was not realistic to expect Qantas to prosper if its competition was subsidised.

"The national interest will not be served by limiting Qantas' chances of success in an attempt to artificially prop up less competitive players.

"Australia still has two domestic airlines and competition, capacity and a wide range of discount fares are re-emerging quickly," he said.

Mr Dixon said it was obvious to all observers that the industry needed to consolidate, and would indeed consolidate, and the practices that have hampered its development for years and harmed efficient carriers would only be further exacerbated by subsidies.



 
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Lol

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:08 pm

Gee Aussie, it seems great minds think alike. I just posted the same thing only seconds after you did.
Never mind.

Regards

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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:08 pm

I beat you by 33 seconds!!!!!  Smile
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:10 pm

OK, you win then. You got there first, so its yours.
Tell me, are Qf getting winglets with that?

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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:11 pm

yaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:15 pm

It seems like CCQ wasn't part of the agenda when QF made their decision & chose the B738 over the A32S. How successful is this practice & has it proved to be a cost saver?

The AKL - DFW flights should be interesting. Does anyone know the range between the 2 cities & how long it would take to fly there & back?
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:25 pm

SYD - LAX is 12036km and AKL - DFW is 11998km so I guess it will take about the same time, about 13 to 14 hours.
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:28 pm

the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows.

Larger windows? My pet peeve about the 707/727/737/757 is that the window tops are about even with my chin. I end up with a crick in my neck after riding one. So, are there any details about these larger windows? Will the window tops be any higher?

The big picture windows were a great feature of the DC-8, until airlines started reducing the seat pitch
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:31 pm

Congratulations to Boeing, good decision by QF.

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Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:50 pm


I take it no PTV's on these?
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 4:09 pm

Awesome news!
Man AKL DFW aswell non-stop awesome! Can't wait for both the new 738's and AKL DFW.

Scott.  Smile
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 4:23 pm

Couldn't the 747-400LR do SYD-DFW nonstop???

Surely they would were it possible...
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2001 4:27 pm

'Using American Airlines specifications'

Does this mean MRTC? I hope so  Smile

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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:50 pm

Can't wait to see them in QF colours
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:55 pm

Are these 737s going to be 737-838 or 737-823. If they are taking over the AA order could it be they will have to keep the 737-823??
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:39 am

yes, I agree with Kiwi Dave and I cant wait to see 737 800s in QF colors....but at the same time I would love to see A320s in QF colors too !!!! oh well.
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:43 am

On the shortest possible route, AKL-DFW is about 6500 miles and SYD-DFW is about 7400 miles...a regular 744 could fly both of those flights...

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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:48 am

Hopefully, the AKL-DFW QF flights will do better than ANZ's AKL-LAX-DFW flights in the 80's.
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:50 am

I am glad to see that QF is 'Going with Boeing'!

As for the DFW flights, yeah well, I give it a year and a half at best! regardless of the AA fortress. Look at KE and JL they are dumping DFW with no guarantees that they will return, per a report the the Dallas Morning News!

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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:24 am

ANZ's DFW service was flown LGW-DFW-PPT-AKL.
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:26 am

Awesome 738!!!!! Also that DFW flight will be great.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:06 am

Awesome!!!!
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:26 am

AKL-DFW? Why not SYD-DFW? I don't think AKL-DFW will last. SYD-DFW could. I would think that the planes would be at DFW for a while, so why not extend the flight? AKL-DFW-ORD? AKL-DFW-MIA? AKL-DFW-JFK? Without either the flight originating in SYD or continuing to another city, I don't think it can last long.
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Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:59 am

Wow, I guess Qantas and American are getting even more closer to each other.
I think this route may work this time. Us330,keep in mind that Dallas/Ft. Worth wasn't as developed in the 80s, and even until the late 90's, as it is now. I think the route could work, but not daily though.

MAH4546- You have to keep in mind that every airline doesn't have to serve MIA. Sometimes MIA doesn't work. As far as I am concerned, there would be no point for QF to extend the flight to MIA unless they wanted to piss off American really badly. AA already has 1 or 2 widebodies on the route.
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Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:17 am

Blink, it's just a suggestion and nothing more. I know very well every airline does not need to serve MIA, I just think that for DFW to be succsesful, it shoudl either originate in SYD or continue elsewhere. ORD, MIA, and JFK are the three best places for it to continue, all being major AA/oneworld airports. Although I don't see how it would make AA upset (as if that matters. If QF can make money running DFW-MIA/ORD/JFK extentions, they will). QF extend's one of thier LAX flights to JFK, and JFK-LAX is one of AA's most imporant routes, and I believe they dominate this route.
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:16 am

Hi all,

Does anyone know the end reasoning behind why QF went with Boeing and not airbus? I'm sure it was to do with price, existing infrastructure etc, but does anyone know/have inside info???

Cheers,

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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:36 am

Price and financing are always components of the picture. Obviously, the A320 and the 738 were closely matched and both very capable for the role.

I think a major contributing factor though in this case was that Boeing was able to offer QF the 738 relatively quickly...by allocating some AA 738's due for delivery in the coming months that AA no longer needed at this time. AA seemed to have some involvement in this deal....also announced simultaneously was the AKL-DFW route.....DFW is the largest AA hub.

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Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:30 am

Its all about the oneworld alliance. Obviously AA & QF were doing some talking under the table.
 
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RE: Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:54 am

Melbourne "Herald Sun":

The jets feature up-swept winglets that are manufactured by Hawker de Havilland at its Fishermens Bend plant. The winglets increase the planes' efficiency.

Qantas also has options on another 60 planes to progressively replace its older model 737s.

The national carrier chose the Boeings after a comparison of the 737 and Airbus's A320 at Sydney Airport last Tuesday.

The planes will be set up with an all-economy class configuration for domestic routes.

Boeing's international sales senior vice-president Doug Groseclose said the sale was welcome news for the manufacturer after the production cuts and staff lay-offs that followed the September 11 attacks.

Neither Boeing nor Qantas would place a value on the deal, but industry experts estimated the total sale to be worth between $1 billion and $1.2 billion - at least $500,000 below list price.

 
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Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:10 am

I had recently found out from ANZ that AKL-DFW will be operated by United thru LAX. Im glad Qantas is doing the route non-stop with a B747-400LR, but what is up with the B737-800....??

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Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:15 am

"Sydney Morning Herald":

Qantas lines up with American for 10 years

By Geoffrey Thomas

Qantas Airways has announced a 10-year strategic alliance with oneworld partner American Airlines, the world's biggest airline, which will bring significant savings in costs as the Australian airline warns on government subsidies for competitors.

Cornerstone of the deal, to be finalised over the next month, is the order announced last week by Qantas for 15 firm and 60 options for the Boeing 737-800, worth up to $9.23 billion at list but for which Qantas is paying the same prices negotiated by American Airlines.

The Dallas-based airline has a 20-year exclusive supplier deal with Boeing which guarantees the lowest prices and maximum flexibility and the 737-800s are coming from American Airlines orders.

Analysts believe Qantas would be paying at least 30 per cent below list price for the 737s.

The strategic deal with American builds on the close relationship nurtured since the 1980s and which led to the formation of the oneworld alliance in October 1998.

The Boeing 737-800, which will spearhead Qantas' low-fare strategy, will have the same specifications as American's aircraft, with the interior being the only difference.

American will help Qantas with the introduction of the 737-800, while both airlines have agreed to short-term leasing to cater for peaks and troughs in demand.