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AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:00 am

Japanese civil-aviation magazine "Airline" (Nov, 2001) has reported all US airlines has cut 20% of its schedules, including American Airlines, which has said that it is considering to drop London Heathrow Airport's operation.

Is this true that AA is considering about it's operation at Heathrow?
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:03 am

I can not imagine there is any truth to that, especially if the BA/AA alliance is not panning out like they wanted.
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:06 am

BA and AA need eather other at Heathrow, especially for the slots. I very much doubt that AA would pull out.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:07 am

Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:11 am

Not a chance. LHR is the pre-eminent business destination in Europe. AA would never risk losing this important destination.

I can't even see them giving up LGW which links to their hub at DFW.

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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:18 am

I agree. If they were on the skids like TWA was in the mid 80s when they sold off their LHR slots then perhaps, but AA is far from being in that position.

Carty would be nuts to give up those highly valued slots. Though I would not mind seeing CO getting a shot at LHR if by some remote chance AA left. Can you imagine the frenzy between DL,CO,NW and possibly US in attempting just to get one of those slots ?


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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:30 am

Sooner or later we'll get Open Skies, there's just a few gritty issues to get out of the way first (I think the main one is cabotage for British carriers in the US, the others are easier to resolve).

The cabotage requires change in legislation, and Congress approval, and the UK is adamant that this specific "problem" should be resolved before Open Skies; I am tired of the UK government's protective stance as regards LHR restrictions on other airlines;

Interestingly, when the UK government granted approval for UA & AA to take over PA & TWA's LHR services, it also managed to secure Seventh-freedom rights to the US; this means any British airline can operate a service to the US, from designated airports outside the UK.

Anyway, no, I highly doubt AA will be pulling out of LHR.

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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:36 am

LHR is American's major hub for their European destinations. They wouldn't drop LHR. Otherwise, Virgin Atlantic would come to DFW from London [LHR].


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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:54 am

This is almost as bad as saying "AA drops DFW" There are over 100 cities AA would drop before LHR.
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:17 am

What if United was "on the skids?" Or could one say that United is "on the skids" right now?
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:37 am

CAArty would be smoking alot of bad crack to get rid of LHR. Although I would love to see CO do EWR-LHR or NWA doing a JFK-LHR-BOM. But UAL is in a bigger hole than AA.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:39 am

AA is NOT pulling out of LHR.We have reduced the number of JFK-LHR flights from 5 to 3.Thats all,no pullout from the market.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:48 am

AA has just reduced service to LHR:

Nov:
ORD (3x) 3 777
JFK (4x) 1 AB3, 3 777
BOS (2x) 2 AB3
MIA (1x) 1 777
LAX (1x) 1 777
EWR (1x) 1 AB3

Cuts include 1 ORD, 1 JFK, 1 LAX.
Note how AA isn't flying any 763's for the time being to LHR.
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:55 am

Eight 777s a day, four A300s. That's hefty. Nearly as many seats a day at LHR as Virgin.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:06 am

LHR would be the last european airport that American would drop. I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of their LHR routes rank among their top 3 profitable international routes.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:56 am

Nonsense. Heathrow slots, the sheer right to serve it, is a priviledge and an asset neither UA or AA would be foolish enough to dump. However, the BA/AA alliance will never progress beyond what it already is and the likelihood of Heathrow opening up to other US carriers is next to zero. American should shop for another European partner.

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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:24 pm

Baecc, what are you talking about? Virgin cannot fly DFW-LHR in the first place.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:49 pm

they fly 1 767 into lhr fl90 ord-lhr 9am flight...LHR is prob their most profiitable route in their entire system
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:55 pm

AA 90 goes up to a 777 Nov. 1st, thus no more AA 763's at LHR for the time being.
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:01 pm

I can't see AA dropping LHR, unless Carl Icahn suddenly becomes CEO.
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:04 pm

London is a profitable destination for almost every airline! Why would AA be crazy enough to cancel it?
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:04 am

There's no way AA would drop LHR. Especially if this whole AA/BA thing goes through.

Speaking of which, this article came out today:
WASHINGTON, Oct. 29 /PRNewswire/ -- David S. Stempler, President of the
Air Travelers Association, announced today that the Association had submitted
its comments to the U.S. Department of Transportation on the proposed American
Airlines ("AA")/British Airways ("BA") alliance, which seeks full authority
for codesharing, marketing, and schedule coordination. Stempler stated, "With
airlines on both sides of the Atlantic cutting service, and the possibility of
airline bankruptcies and consolidations, now, more than ever, airline
passengers need the benefits that an AA/BA alliance will provide."
The following are the key points made by the Air Travelers Association in
its DOT filing.

1. An American Airlines/British Airways Alliance will provide price,
schedule, and frequent flyer competition for other international
airline alliances.

2. An American Airlines/British Airways Alliance will serve as a
catalyst for U.S./U.K. open skies, which will open London Heathrow
Airport to all U.S. and U.K. airlines.

3. Any required slot divestiture by an American Airlines/British Airways
Alliance at London's Heathrow Airport would be counterproductive by
reducing competition with other international airline alliances.

4. The necessity of an American Airlines/British Airways Alliance is
increased during this period of industry-wide financial crisis.

The Air Travelers Association is passenger-funded organization, based in
Washington, DC, which is both a representative and advocate for its airline
passenger members. The Association focuses on passenger safety, security,
savings, and service issues. It publishes the Airline Accident Report
Card(C), which provides report card grades for the world's airlines based on
their fatal accident histories, and provides membership in Travelers
Advantage(R), one of the largest, full-service, discount travel services in
the United States. David S. Stempler, President of the Air Travelers
Association, is an internationally known authority on airline, airline
passenger, and travel issues.

_______________________________________________

RWally
 
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RE: AA Dumps Lhr?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:20 pm

i must say that i fail to see how AA/BA giving up slots would hurt anyone but aa/Ba.
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