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Age Of Pilots

Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:22 pm

How old do you have to be to fly for an airline?? At the airport, I see many older men in pilot suits. Once, I talked with the pilot of our United Airlines MSP-ORD flight that was on a 737-300, and he was really young! Just say you graduate from Embry Riddle, and you are 22, then you are with a regional airline for a few years, is it possible to fly with the majors around late 20's???

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RE: Age Of Pilots

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:14 pm

Early 20's, depends on which airline and what aircraft they fly.

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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:06 am

In the US, to fly for an airline you need an Airline Transport Pilot certificate (ATP). According to federal regulations, you must be at least 23 years old to be eligible for an ATP certificate (reference 14 CFR 61.153).

If you would like to know more, check out the following link. The requirements for pilot certificates and ratings is in part 61 of the regulations listed in the link below. Enjoy!  Smile

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14tab_00.html
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:58 am

"Just say you graduate from Embry Riddle, and you are 22, then you are with a regional airline for a few years, is it possible to fly with the majors around late 20's???"

Graduating from Embry Riddle doesn't mean you'll get hired by an airline at a young age. It just means that the pilot (or his parents) had a lot of money to waste.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:32 am

Latechpilot,
or perhaps it means that this guy and his parents made a very good decision by sending him to Embry Riddle ( UND or Perdue would be even better) and that he worked very hard to get a job with UA in his 20's?
Why are u trying to criticize it?
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:44 am

Latechpilot, not parents, grandparents!
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:34 am

Late 20's is positivley old in some airlines! What about BA cadets for example? You can be accepted onto a course aged 18, and after a year and a halfs training, you could, officially, be a FO on the 320, 737 or 757 before you even reach 20! In which case, you could expect command in your late twenties.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:46 am

Lufthansa: apply at the age of 19 and at the age of 21 you will fly a LH A320, a 737 or a 757 (Condor).

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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:12 am

I joined Sabena as F/O on B737 at age 20 after completing their ab initio training program.
 
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RE: Latechpilot

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:14 am

Embry Riddle is one of the most prestigous flight schools in the world. My brother went there, and he graduated two years ago, now he flies an ERJ for American Express.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:29 am

I'm 20 and have 420 hours of flying time (now a CFI,CFI,MEI for Flightline Tallahassee)... I should be with a regional when I am 22 after i graduate from FSU..hopefully with the majors by the time im 27.
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:55 am

It depends on many factors. I graduated from Auburn University at 22 and had 1,100 total time with 550 multi-engine. I got hired at ASA, NW Airlink, and Continental Express. I chose Express due to the upgrade time and the overall size and relationship with Continental Airlines(wholly owned for years). I'm now 26 and have been actively pursuing a job with a major airline. The expected flow through to Continental may never happen due to the economy and Continental's desire to sell Express. American hasn't called(and probably won't for a loooooong time). I was told by the manager of pilot selection at Delta in early January that I should have an interview between the months of June and October of this year. In June, Delta initiated a hiring freeze and then September 11 ended my hopes there. I had an interview on the way with Northwest for the month of September. I was very excited and before Sept 11, due to the economic downturn, it was canceled. Then September 11 came. I don't see the major airlines hiring for a year and maybe a lot longer.

My point is we just never know where our careers will take us. If I had been interviewed by NWA in August and was luckey and made it through the process, I would probably not have a job right now. I love Continental Express but I'm 26 and have a chance to make it to a major and put in a nice career. It's not going to happen as soon as I had planned but it will happen. Flying a regional jet as captain is a blast and I feel guilty even entertaining the thought of leaving sometimes. Ten years ago you didn't hear of pilots at the majors in their 20's at all. You graduated from college then instructed for several hundred hours to get a job flying cargo at night. After flying a thousand hours in light twins late at night you might make it to a "commuter". A few years there and the majors became interested. If we don't have an economic recovery next year both at home and abroad, we might see that type of stalemate return to our industry.

By the way, the airlines like to see some diversity in a pilot. Embry Riddle is a nice aviation school but a degree from there will not hold any more water than a degree from any other 4 year institution. I know this as I served on the pilot selection comittee up to the 11th of September when we were actively hiring pilots. So to all of you out there who cannot afford the tuition at Riddle, or want to attend a more conventional/well known university, go for it. College is more than just flying. A degree in business or just about anything looks good to pilot recruiters. Get involved on campus in non aviation leadership positions as well. I'm not putting down Riddle as many sharp pilots come out of that fine institution. It's not the only place out there though.
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:25 am

First of all, age doesn't matter. If you're experienced and have the knowlege and desire, you can get anything you want out of life. I am 24 and an FO at Mesaba. I got hired at 23 and fly a 4 engined jet!! I attribute my success to determination and the will to get where I am. I'm not kidding, everyday I fly I get a comment on my age and how young I look. It doesn't really matter though, I am fully qualified. You have to understand that in the US time and senority matters. You can't just join an abinitio program like Luftansa, Sabena or whatever and get hired by a US carrier. Infact, that would be seen as a negative thing, paying for the training that an airline gives you. A degree does matter and it really doesn't matter what you got it in. I went to Embry-Riddle and am proud to be an alum. There are many opportunities that ERAU provides that no other school does. It is the leader in its field, if that is the route you want to take. I do believe that with the universities reputation that is out there, that is a bonus, but definitely not necessary. Also, there are plenty of people who put themselves through Riddle that didn't come from rich families, so the ignorant and unfounded comments from Latechpilot only makes him look like a whiney kid.

Bottom line, no matter where you went to school, getting a job at an airline is based off time, experience and how you act as a human being. Not much more than that. By the way, an ATP certificate is not required to fly for an airline. It is required to be captain, but to get hired you just need a commercial certificate.

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RE: Azjubilee

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:31 am

QUESTION! When you went into ERAU, did you have any experience of flying?? Do you get the liscenses throughout your years there??? I am a freshman in high school, and I have started flight training at South Saint Paul, MN. Is that good to go there, then to Embry Riddle, and have lots of knowledge of flight?? Thanks!!


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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:42 am

Continental,
if You live in MN why would You go ERAU? Try UND! I am a sophmore here, commercial aviation major. Its great. This school is awesome. They give me really good flight education. True, it is so fucking cold here in the winter time, that it is scarry. But at least You will be closer to home, pay little less and recieve very good paper..... No problems with planes, instructors, very nice equpiment. We fly warriors, arrows, seminoles and barrons. Also very good ATC center, and looks like we will get some new CRJ sims! At least 7 aviation related majors to choose from....
 
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RE: Azjubilee

Tue Oct 30, 2001 9:46 am

First to Azjubilee-you are so right when you say how good a school ERAU is. They have a reputation in the industry that is surpassed by none. I know that in the past there have been some try to say that Riddle has a reputation in the industry that seem to indicate that all they produce is "snotty" pilots. Yet when confronted these folks refuse to say where their information comes from..kind of makes one wonder if they have just made up things doesn't it?
My husband is a graduate from the Daytona Beach campus and our son is now a senior there(as most of you probably know). He got his private license through a program in high school so he already had a few credits when he started. Now he has his commercial, CFI, CFII, and is starting on his MEI. So by the time he graduates like Azjubilee he might get on with someone like Mesaba, or Chautauqua.

Continental-there are a lot of colleges and universities out there that have aviation programs. But to my knowledge there are none that can give you what Embry-Riddle can. They give you the best in aviation training and they can give you many connections in the industry that no other school can give. As far as the cost goes, yes it does cost, but so does any other school if you are majoring in aviatioin. Riddle has a number of scholarships that are offered, in addition you can go on line and look up tons of others. Connections with your heritage(don't forget the smallest percentage in your family) and your religion are just the beginning. And just to top it off, Riddle has work programs to help anybody out that may need it to stay in school there. Finally don't forget loans and grants that can be applied for to help you out.

Best of luck to you and let us know what yu decide.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 9:49 am

Skyhawk,
i belive that UND and Perdue are as good, if not better thyan Riddle....
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:28 am

If you reread what I said, you will see that I did acknowledge the fact that there is more that one school that offers degrees in Aeronautical Science, but as you have your opinion that UND and Purdue are the best schools-and you are right they are good- my opinion is that Embry-Riddle is better for the reasons I already stated. I think you'll agree with this though, wherever one decides to go, you do need to get that degree, not just the flight hours if you have your eyes set on a major carrier.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Wed Oct 31, 2001 6:13 am

Anyone answer my previous post?
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Wed Oct 31, 2001 6:40 am

Continental-check the reply I made 10-30 at 01:46 you will see that I did reply to you then.
 
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Continental

Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:59 am

I entered Riddle with no flight experience what so ever. I knew this is what I wanted and made it work for me. I would recommend you continue your flight training prior to entering a universities flight program. While it isn't necessary it will mean less cost and time for you once you get to whatever university you chose. Heading for UND is a good idea since you live in MN, hoever realize that there are TONS of students at ERAU from the ND, MN, SD area. Remember also that at ERAU-AZ there are over 300 flying days a year to fly in and the seemingly never ending winters of the upper midwest aren't there. Make your decision based on fact, credible advice and personal perception. By the way, I taught at both, UND and ERAU as an instructor, so I have experienced both programs and my opinion still lies with ERAU. If you want more info and advice, I can help you out.

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Skyhawk

Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:04 am

I think we've "spoken" about your husband and son before on airliners.net. Good luck to your son!! THat sounds like he's becoming quite successful at Riddle, which will allow him to leap into other endeavours. YOu must be a proud mom and wife... as you shoould be!! My theory when I confront people who aren't fans of Riddle is to prove to them I am worthy of my degree and the training that I have received. I'm also myself around them, and by doing that will prove that ERAU graduates aren't canned pilots, but actually human beings that had to work for what they have. Also, I make it very clear that I operate based on fact and not rumors and speculation and that tends to end the debate rather fast, if one should escalate.

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RE: Azjubilee

Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:37 am

When I read something from a ERAU grad like yourself, it makes me proud of the fact that my son is in the same school from which your graduated. Best of luck in the future.

P.S. Are you going to be able to get to the 75th anniversary homecoming/reunion? From what we have read it really is supposed to be better than ever. If you haven't planned, try to get there. The Thunderbirds are going to be the star attraction of the get together. The dates are Nov. 7-11. Get more info from the alumni office or online.
 
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Skyhawk

Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:38 pm

Well, thanks for those nice comments. I am proud to have had the opportunity that I had, and will never regret it one bit. I wasn't planning on the Alumni event in DAB as I have to work part of the days. Maybe for the 80th! =)


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RE: Latechpilot

Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:17 pm

Hey kid, I graduated ERAU class of '84 at 21 years old. I was then hired at CO 4 years later at 25 yrs old. Did I, and my parents waste our money, and time? Duh!!!!
 
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RE: Latechpilot

Thu Nov 01, 2001 6:13 am

How much will it cost for 4 years of Aeronautical Science? Money isn't a big deal now, but I'd curious. thanks
 
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RE: Latechpilot

Thu Nov 01, 2001 6:32 am

NOt sure what the cost is now, but my 4 years for everything, flying, tuition, etc... was about 80,000. Comparatively Riddle has lower tuition than many comprable private schools. It is the flying that gets you... check the website for the latest info. Admissions people are great and will help you out a lot.


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RE: Latechpilot

Thu Nov 01, 2001 6:49 am

Your cost estimate of ERAU is still pretty close, a bit more but not much. We paid more the first year, because at the time Riddle was letting their flight students go off campus because they didn't have enough planes to get any time in for them. Our guy went off campus, like I said and was able to get his commercial done and start his CFI the first year. But we did pay a lot more than if he had stayed on campus and flew, but then again he wouldn't be as far along in his ratings as he is.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:01 am

I graduated from Riddle in 82....hired at UPS at 29. It's a good school but expensive. My advice is to get a degree in something other than aviation and to fly and instruct while your in school....you'll save a lot of money. The airlines don't care what your degree is in and a degree in aviation gives you nothing to fall back on during hard times.

Best of luck to all those posters here who are doing it different ways.
 
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RE: Age Of Pilots

Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:24 am

Probably not. Most regional pilots are in their early twentys to late thirtys. I've even seen l a fifty year ERJ pilot for Co Exp. It is possible, but it is also hard. You would probably have to have many hours like in the military to start out in the majors. You would have to have many hours those!

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RE: CALPilot

Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:10 pm

Hey kid, I graduated ERAU class of '84 at 21 years old. I was then hired at CO 4 years later at 25 yrs old. Did I, and my parents waste our money, and time? Duh!!!!

CALPilot,

Are you saying Continental hired you because you went to Riddle? I know them better than that.

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