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Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:10 am

Hi recently visited Pearson International Airports website http://www.lbpia.com and on the schedule they showed that Singapore Airlines arrives at 8:00pm on Sundays from Heathrow. I was wondering if Singapore Air actually brings their planes to Toronto and if they do what plane do they bring (777, 747 or a340?)

Thanks,
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:13 am

I believe it's a codeshare with Air Canada. Singapore Airlines used to fly to YYZ via SEA (?) some time ago but discontinued the route, however it wasn't because the route wasn't profitable, there were some other complications with the Canadian government.
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:25 am

It's currently a code share.

SIA did fly to YYZ in the early 90's with 3 weekly 744's routing YYZ-AMS-VIE-SIN with FFR on all segments.

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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:27 am

Marco, it was Thai that flew to YYZ via SEA, at first with the 743 and then with a Thai A310 based in SEA solely for the SEA-YYZ route connecting to a 743 in SEA. FFR on the SEA-YYZ route of course. Incidently, that Thai A310 was a former Wardair A310 (previously YYZ-based itself)!

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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:13 am

Would this be a codeshare out of flights from LHR or CPH? What would happen if AC does not fly to CPH anymore?

I heard rumour that says AC will soon terminate the service to CPH, is that true?

I, personally, would like to see SQ flies again to YYZ, since in that case I won't need to connect either from ORD, EWR, or JFK to travel to SIN....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:45 am

It is definitly a code-share via London...
It's a aircanada flight...

but would love to see sq in YYZ or YUL :-P
hehe

Cya
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:03 am

SQ has codeshare rights on Air Canada between Copenhagen-Toronto and London-Toronto.

The Copenhagen-Toronto service is an AC/SK/SQ codeshare and, if it is terminated, all would agree to it. If it is a profitable route and one member cannot operate it, another could pick it up assuming they had the rights. SK has rights on this route.

All current services between Singapore and Canada are operated by ministerial note as there is no current bilateral agreement between the two countries. The bilateral was abrogated by Singapore because they felt AC was more successful with their fifth freedom rights between Europe and Singapore than SQ was between Europe and Canada. This was when the two airlines competed against one another.
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:14 am

SQ1007 is quite punctual. I watch it (BBC Ceefax 443)
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:19 pm

Thanks for refreshing my memory Neil. Gosh isn't it sad how so many airlines have pulled out of Canada?

Regds

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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:01 pm

SQ has not pulled out of Canada. They continue to serve Vancouver with their own aircraft.
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:03 pm

Polaris, you are correct...I'd forgotten about YVR....the thread started with YYZ and hence my focus.

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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:15 pm

But Air Canada doesn't even fly to Singapore!! So why did they make noise?
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:19 pm

They were stealing passengers from Vienna and Amsterdam?
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:56 am

Air Canada used to fly Toronto-London-Bombay-Singapore with fifth freedom rights.

In addition to their Pacific route to Vancouver, SQ used to fly Singapore-Vienna-Amsterdam-Toronto with fifth freedom rights. Someone may wish to double-check the en route stops between Singapore and Toronto.

Air Canada's services among London-Bombay-Singapore were more successful than Singapore's services between Europe and Toronto. The Singapore government felt this was unfair and abrogated the bilateral agreement.

It was not Canada that "made noise", it was Singapore. No one was "stealing" passengers. Both carriers had full traffic rights. It's just that one was more successful than the other.

I guess Singapore didn't notice that it had the Pacific route to itself.
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 2:53 am

AC's last flight from Copehagen arrives in Toronto today. AC will end CPH service.
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:51 am

Polaris is correct....the SIA route to was SIN-VIE-AMS-YYZ.

Neil

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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:59 am

I have to disagree with Polaris on this one. I was in YYZ/YVR when all the AC/SQ & respective governments fiasco came about.

It WAS Air Canada who was nudging the Canadian government to cancel SQ's traffic rights to Toronto. It wasn't so much as the full payload SQ was carrying to YYZ but rather AC was complaining that SQ should only carry passengers from SIN and not pickup passengers from VIE and AMS. They claim that SQ was pilfering possible passengers who could have otherwise travelled on Air Canada. Interesting fact then was that neither AMS or VIE were served by ANY scheduled Canadian carrier!

AC withdrew from BOM/SIN on its own accord. As usual, yield came to light and AC decided that even though its flights were full between LHR/BOM/SIN, it was not making enough money on the route and axed it. So by being a sore loser, it didn't want SQ enjoying glory status when it announced its first Transatlantic flights to YYZ then. It was actually in the early 90's!

SQ decided that it was not feasible to fly to YYZ without picking any passengers enroute when the Canadian government cancelled their 5th Freedom rights for VIE and AMS.

For years, SQ and AC 'hated' each other. So it was very interesting to see that they are codesharing now due to both being in the STAR alliance.
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 2:37 pm

They sound like Greedy Pigs! Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud
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It just sounds like it!
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 2:39 pm

You know, to me, the "politics" of aviation is always fascinating. The more information that comes to light the better!

...and now, past competitors operate the route together.

As it stands now, because of all this, there is no bilateral between Singapore and Canada.
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:09 pm

Polaris: Do you mean bilateral relations or open skies agreement? As far as I know, both countries are members of the Commonwealth and furthermore, Singapore has a High Commision in Toronto and Vancouver, whilst Canada has a High Commision in Singapore. Whether they've got formal bilateral relations or not I don't know 'tho.
 
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RE: Singapore Air At Yyz?

Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:15 pm

Canada & SIN have no bilateral agreement regarding air traffic rights.

When you hear 'bilateral' on this forum, it always means air traffic rights, as opposed to general trade.

Of course there is trade betw Canada & SIN. Indeed, at the recent APEC, Canada & SIN announced plans for a liberated trade agreement.

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