Lemieux66
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Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:04 am

Sorry about the other topic, i didnt remember about the whole colon thing... my fault.

Anyways:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/01/10/29/story5808&sec=business


Woo! About time DFW got another 747-400 pax flight.
 
QantasA330
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:07 am

If you can't spell it, don't write about it...

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jet_guy
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Qantas!

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:07 am

its spelt QANTAS!!

this should have been clear in the article!!!
 
QantasA330
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:11 am

No offence... really... but look at your topic heading.

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atwingo
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:46 am

I am sure you all are perfect. get over it people Insane
 
Lemieux66
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:05 am

Oh, I'm sorry... See, I've spent pretty much 8 hours today slaving over newspaper proofs that were due about 6pm yesterday. My fingers in a habit of Typing "QU". Thanks for all of your brilliant and original responces, without you I don't know where I would be.

Oh, and thanks for staying on topic, since I was obviously posting about spelling.
 
iwareboy
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:17 pm

This should work out well for Qantas. AA and CO feed Qantas a LOT of business, especially via frequent flyer redemptions. I'm sure AA is making it worth it for Qantas to fly those people for 80-125 thousand FF miles per/person.

-Sean
 
doug_or
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:22 pm

got me thinking... is UAl the only american mainland carrier with scheduled service to Australia?
When in doubt, one B pump off
 
ZK-NBT
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:19 pm

YAY AKL should be one of the first airports to see the 744ER! along with MEL, LAX, SYD, DFW.

UA is the only US pax carrier serving Aussie and NZ!

Scott.  Smile
 
nickofatlanta
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:36 am

CO serves Cairns via its Micronesia division. CO is mainland USA-based, but has a hub in Guam.
 
khi747
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:28 pm

I was wondering how would this work out. Qantas is an Australian airline based primarily in SYD and MEL. How can it operate a round trip between AKL(being in New Zealand) and DFW?....or is the flight going to originate from SYD or MEL. Because otherwise its like LH operating a round trip between LHR and JFK...
I'l be glad if someone can clear this out for me.
 
flyinghighboy
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:41 pm

They probably will orginate out of SYD.
It's normal for airlines to do that though, Air NZ does or I think they did do LAX - SYD all the time.
 
jet_guy
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 8:14 am

QF already does it through AKL. The QF AKL-LAX flight origintes in BNE, and the AKL-EZE flight starts in SYD

Sam
 
jsmith
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:04 pm

Re Qantas flights from AKL - DFW.

Goes back a few years I think - QF and Air NZ were given reciprocal rights to fly to LAX from their respective hubs - part of an agreement for closer economic ties between Australia and New Zealand. However, I think it was QF that was first given the rights to fly AKL - LAX and vv to which Air NZ responded with a request for SYD-LAX and vv, and which as has already been mentioned, flights continued to their own hubs.

 
jupiter2
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:35 pm

Yer got to love that NZ14/15 flight between SYD and LAX, a foreign airlines flight starts in a foreign country (Australia) and terminates in a foreign country (U.S.A) without going to the airlines home country !!
At least the QF flight to the U.S and Argentina have the decency to originate and terminate in Australia.
RL
 
aerokiwi
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:39 pm

Meanwhile Qantas is allowed to fly pretty much whatever aircraft it wants, whenever it wants within New Zealand. None of these flights originate in Australia, Jupiter 2.

Hmmmmm.

 
jupiter2
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 12:43 pm

This is true but NZ did have an Australian subsidiary there for a while if I remember correctly, and I do believe QF were encouraged to operate their own aircraft in NZ by the government.
RL
 
Oz777
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:22 pm

If you are talking about 5th Freedom rights, look no further than the QF B767 that used to fly SIN-BKK-HKG.

Flight started in Singapore as part of the complexing of the kangaroo route. Eventually HKG got its nose out of joint over diluting CX's pick-up (read monopoly) and that sector was stopped.

As to the NZ and Australian rights, it is part of the open sky's agreement put in place some 8 years ago allowing any carrier of either nation the opportunity to operate from either country to another destination.

Something that the USA, and all it's rhetoric about "open skys" and 'free trade' has yet to embrace internally, despite pushing for it in other countries.

Oz777
 
MAH4546
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:28 pm

KHI747, fifth-freedom. A carrier from country A can fly between country B and country C with 5th freedom. The best examples of this are Northwest's hub at Tokyo Narita and Iberia's hub at Miami International.
a.
 
jasewgtn
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:33 pm

I will be interested to see how this flight does after Air NZ's failed flight to DFW.

They used to have a flight that operated from AKL - PPT - DFW - LGW about 13 years ago I think

 
jupiter2
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 2:02 pm

Oz777, the old QF flights between SIN/BKK/HKG (known as the golden triangle at QF if memory serves correct) actually routed from memory BKK/HKG/SIN/PER from memory, but I do know there was an Australian city actually included in the schedule. SIN/BKK sector was part of the QF5 SYD/SIN/BKK/FRA. the BKK/HKG sector was the one which kicked up a stink at CX.
Of course no need to do those flights now as CX do them and they are of course part of One World, but I would be surprised if QF passengers actually get booked on CX if the travels include one of those sectors. QF still do PER/SIN/HKG of course.
I remember when CX were complaining to the OZ government there was talk that the government would only allow CX to fly to one Australian city as QF could only fly to one city in Hong Kong and they were going to designate Adelaide, everything quiten down pretty quickly after that and of course QF stopped flying BKK/HKG !!
RL
 
jetkid
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RE: Qantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 2:08 pm

I thought it was AKL-HNL-DFW-LGW, but no stress. I could check in my timetables from the era if anyone was really interested? (I've got Air NZ timetables back to 1984, sad hu!)

As the QF service will be nonstop it might do better. Air NZ started their services to DFW if I remember with a big carry on about the benefits of connecting into AA's hub, not that it got them anywhere it would seem.

But heres a question for you all -

Do you think QF will drop its daily AKL/LAX sector and only operate the AKL/DFW sector? I just cant see the need for two QF 744 services from AKL to the US each night myself, even if they do start in Oz. Maybe the AKL/DFW services will only operate a few times a week?

Jetkid
 
aussie_
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 2:19 pm

If I were Qantas I would route the flight SYD-AKL-DFW maybe 3x a week and if it is successful, why not open another route such as SYD-PPT-DFW for the other 4 weekly flights. After all, QF no longer flies to PPT, and it would be a good way to offer the destination once again. Also I'm sure Air Tahiti Nui (and AA) would be happy to codeshare on the services too.
 
ZK-NBT
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 3:05 pm

Yeah Aussie I agree the service won't operate any more than probably 4x weekly for a start, my guess is SYD-AKL-DFW 3x weekly though.

I thought NZ operated this service when they got the first 744's around 1990 and operated AKL-DFW-LGW-FRA thats what I heard anyway so I could be wrong.

Scott.  Smile
 
jasewgtn
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RE: Quantas To Fly Auckland To DFW In 2002

Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:50 pm

Jetkid:

When AA flew to NZ, their service operated AKL - HNL - DFW but Air NZ's went via PPT.

I still have a wall size world map showing this

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