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AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 9:11 am

Rumors are sizzling again about an AWA and TWA merger. Yesterday here at America West, I spoke to a friend of mine at headquarters and he said management from both airlines have recently met and discussed plans for a buyout of TWA...
It really must be getting around because today I read on PlaneBusiness.com almost the same information. Sounds pretty real... I'll keep information posted on Airliners.net as soon as I get it... Ya'll do the same!
 
twa747100
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 11:19 am

So if this happens twa will no longer be called twa it will be awa?
 
flyCMH
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 11:30 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
The last thing I want to hear about is another rumor of a merger w/ America West. If this or any other merger w/ the airline happens, Port Columbus is out of the inly hub they've ever got off the ground. When the rumors were flying about the UAL/AWA merger, it was most likely that Columbus traffic would have been diverted to ORD and/or IAD. Now if this were to happen, I'm sure all the Columbus operations would go to STL and/or JFK. I really don't want to see this. We may have a small hub, but it's a hub none the less. Plus I couldn't bear to see TWA's colors and operations any longer. I seriously hope these rumors are just small talk and will not happen. Being overshadowed by CLE and CVG, and sometimes even DAY really is not fair, being the largest city in Ohio and 15th largest in the country still doesn't seem to spur an increase in airline operations around here! Please say this does not come true!!!
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 1:31 pm

This would be a marriage made in heaven for both airlines. Think about it--East (JFK) Central (STL) and Western (PHX) Hubs. AWA would gain service to European and Midwestern destinations, and TWA would get a strong presence on the west coast! Plus, the fleets compliment eachother nicely, with airbuses (on order) and the 757s. This would be a perfect merger.
Create your own luck.
 
Guest

RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 2:07 pm

hey fly, how selfish
twa needs awa and awa need twa sp who cares if one hub is gone. maybe some other start up airline will start in !
 
twa747100
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 2:09 pm

I aggree with bosman and nwa man
it would be a good match and making twa's opperation at stl stronger is good. and think these to airlines may be big enough to go after AA DL or CO
what do you all think
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 2:26 pm

AWA doesn't need TWA but TWA DOES need AWA. America West is doing great... but poor suffering TWA would bring a much needed major expansion to AWA. All I've heard here at AWA is that the name America West would be kept instead of TWA. All I can say is, this would be an awesome move for America West. Much larger aircraft (767's) and international routes. I'm sure quite a bit of the flying would be sent to PHX but STL and JFK would still be kept and CMH would be history. This would also help the LAS station.
I can't wait to hear more news about this.
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sat Jul 17, 1999 5:31 pm

FlyCMH--dude, I feel for you--it's no fun having your home turf overshadowed. I hated the thought of United swallowing up America West. Even a large hub like Phoenix would've been dumped in that scenario.

I must admit, this TWA/AWA thing does sound enticing. The two would indeed compliment one another. I like the thought of little AWA taking control of all that hardware. JFK, STL, PHX, LAS...those would be killer hubs. I get tired just watching TWA trying to survive.

There are some problems here, though. I don't see AWA wanting any of those MD-80s/DC-9s. They are sitting on a money-pile, but I don't know how they could safely take control of a money-losing operation of that size. Maybe if they did merge, AWA could liquidate the MDs and DCs to raise some dough and relieve the burden.

I'd be interested in hearing lots more groundless speculation on this potential merger.
 
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Perfect? Not Really

Sat Jul 17, 1999 9:36 pm

While the idea is quite intriguing, the merger is not as some on the forum have mentioned as 'perfect'
Solely from the fleet commonality standpoint, TWA has many brand new MD80s that they are on the hook for, and really cant get rid of. They have 50 717s on order, mismatching the HP fleet. HP still maintains a large fleet of 737-200s/-300s. TWA's 27(when complete) 757s are PW powered, while HP's 12 757s are RB211 powered. This is not exactly what I call commonality.
Personally, if the merger were to go through, I would hope theat TWA would be the surviving airline. All things aside, TWA is a much classier airline.

About HP, I am really quite dissapointed with them. So far this year, i've flown 6 US and 2 intl airlines. HP was certainly the worst in my books. I was incensed by the poor service, or simple lack of it, and the tatty, dirty appearance of HP's a/c. I was amazed that my 4hr 55min JFK-PHX flight at dinner time served only pretzels and peanuts. I dont want to hear the "with the cheap fare you can go OUT for dinner" argument. I paid $455.
 
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Good And Bad

Sun Jul 18, 1999 1:23 am

Good=AWA would get a good route system and more passengers by way of STL.

Bad= Another "old school" airline goes down the drain. TWA is a name in aviation, a great name, i would hate to see it swallowed up by a 20 year old upstart.
"[He] knew everything about literature, except how to enjoy it." - Yossarian, Catch 22
 
Guest

RE: Perfect? Not Really

Sun Jul 18, 1999 1:52 am

I'm really sorry you had a bad experience on AWA. I can tell you by personal knowledge, a meal is always served on the PHX-JFK-PHX legs. I can't understand why you're flight didn't have meal service...

I can also agree with you... the aircraft in the old paint scheme can look pretty grungy at times...
AWA thinks they're saving money by not doing anything to the old colors since they're all going to be re-painted anyways... which I think is a bad idea! If it's going to take us this long to paint our aircraft, they should at least be washed every once in a while.

One thing I can tell you, ever since the flight attendants got their contract, in flight service has improved dramatically. The flight attendants are happier and they get the job done faster and better. I'm sorry you had a bad flight, but please take my word for it, that America West is turning around and there are many more good flights than there are bad.

Once again, I'm sorry you had a bad experience on AWA and if there was anything I could do to change that, I would do it in half a second. I beg you to please give us another chance!
 
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AWA320

Sun Jul 18, 1999 2:09 am

A320, I appreciate your honest response. I can tell you positively that I flew 4 flights in April, none with meal service.
1. 4/2/99 HP15 JFK-PHX A320
2. 4/2/99 HP2294 PHX-SJC B733
3. 4/4/99 HP293 SJC-LAS B733
4. 4/8/99 HP137 LAS-JFK B757(Arizona Cardinals c/s)

It is acceptable for the shorter 737 flights to be without full service, and maybe even my red-eye back to JFK. Still, the JFK-PHX flight had absoloutely, positivly no food other than snacks. When I referred to the aircraft's appearance, I was referring to the interiors. My first flight was the A320. The aircraft happened to be only a few weeks old at the time(652), and I acknowledge what a beautiful, clean plane it was. My other flights were not up to standard, however. Both 733s were in the new colors, but both had identical, filthy interiors, complete with the 'nonfunctional' individual TV screens. The 757, which had such a great exterior was so dissapointingly similar to the 737s.
 
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FlyAA757

Sun Jul 18, 1999 2:29 am

Once again I apolojize for the lack of service you encountered at my airline. I honestly can't figure out why there was no meal service on your PHX-JFK leg... I promise you that flight is going to be reported by me personally. It really makes me mad when passengers aren't satisfied.

I don't want it to sound like I'm making excuses, but America West is treating the interiors the same as the exteriors. Both are being redone and America West doesn't seem to care about the old ones. If you flew on a newer Airbus, then you saw the brand new grey interior... which is fabulous I think! It will be installed on all of the aircraft, but who knows when that will be. The old blue interiors used to look awesome! But they are slowly but surely getting old and America West doesn't want to waste money by fixing the old interiors when new ones will soon be installed... Referring to the TV screens, the company that supplied information and maintained those seat-back computers went bankrupt. I'm sure you noticed on the new aircraft, that there were no seat-back computers. It's a shame because those computers were a great time passer for all the passengers...
 
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AWA320

Sun Jul 18, 1999 3:36 am

AWA320, thank you for being so cordial and sincere. It impresses me greatly that you personally take responsibility for your company. A sign of a successful company is one whose employees are as dedicated to it as you are! While I am a big Boeig fan, I must admit that the new TV screens on the A320 that popped down from the oxygen compartment area were really cool. Good luck to you and your company.
 
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RE: AWA320

Sun Jul 18, 1999 4:08 am

Yea, the A320's and A319's are pretty cool aircraft. They score high points with all of our passengers. They're very comfortable aircraft and they have video and audio entertainment, which the 737's don't.

I promise you there are many more people just like me at America West... once again, I just ask that you give us another chance sometime in the future.

Thank you for your business anyways.
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 4:44 am

I would like to see AA buy/Take over TWA's JFK assets; AWA/TWA merger or no merger. I think that TWA's assets here in the hands of AWA+TWA would be a waste. Just my personal preferance. I want TWA to survive but I think that AA+TWA has little to offer NYC-JFK.

Lance
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 4:45 am

I would like to see AA buy/Take over TWA's JFK assets; AWA/TWA merger or no merger. I think that TWA's assets here in the hands of AWA+TWA would be a waste. Just my personal preferance. I want TWA to survive but I think that AWA+TWA has little to offer NYC-JFK.

Lance
 
ducker
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 4:57 am

I do not see any synergies in such a merger. AWA is thriving, and has their fleet upgrading much further along than TW.

TW/AWA fleet would be too messy: D9S, 717, M80, 733, A319/320, 757 (P&W and RR), 767/76S. Even with A318 being added in 2002/3, and any commonality with AW Airbusses.

TWA has plans in place to improve and grow, and labor contracts approved and a fleet upgrade. I think TW can only rise by itself, but would bring AWA down.
 
flyCMH
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 5:49 am

Sorry if I seemed "selfish" Bosman, but I don't see how worrying about the loss of over 300 job, and the economy and the image of an entire city, if not an entire region makes me seem selfish. Thanks for the sympathy 24291. You do not understand the significance this airline has made at our airport, and Ohio. We have most of the lowest airfares in Ohio and surrounding areas because of AWA. It spurred the introduction of Southwest and Delta Express in Columbus. The growth at the airport has also affected the downtown here at Columbus. The economy here has never been better. Even the local mewspaper did a full page article on how the airport and city depend oneach other. Maybe Bosman has never experianced the loss of a hub. We lost TAT, People Express, TWA, and now maybe AWA. I doubt TWA would want another try at CMH. And a major point, our region is SATURATED by airline hubs! DL in CVG, CO in CLE, NW in DTW, AA & UAL in ORD, and US in PIT. We are lucky to have AWA in Columbus. If they go, so are most possible plans of a hub here. So, "who cares if one hub is gone?" Well, around 2 million people in the Central Ohio area.
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 6:46 am

America West could definitely use TWA's MD-80's. I don't know about the 717's... I don't even think TWA needs the 717. The A318 would work out.. but the DC-9's would have to go...
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 7:03 am

This is the last thing that needs to happen to US airlines. The US needs INCREASED competition to help keep fares low, and keep service high (don't get me wrong...I do NOT want foreign airlines on our domestic routes). If it does happen (hopefully not), AWA should be the one to drop their name...Trans World Airlines sounds much classier and much more professional than "America West".

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 7:21 am

See the thing with the names is... well my opinion at least.... People obviously aren't too excited with TWA right now... they really don't have that great of a name anymore... that's probably why their doing so horribly, am I right? Right now, America West is very successful and becoming more well known... the America West name has a wonderful safety record, unlike TWA. Yes, Trans World is a very nice and professional name, but it's not doing too good at the moment.
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 7:30 am

Yet America West (sounds like a 'funjet' name) is not known outside the US/Canada/Mexico, wheres TWA is known well throughout Europe, the Caribbean, the US, etc.

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 7:48 am

Yea, I know TWA is very well known outside of the U.S. TWA used to be a far better name than it is today.

None of us really know which name will be kept, but if it is America West, which is what I've heard, then I'm sure America West would quite quickly become known throughout Europe also. It's not the name... if the company has a good product to offer at a good price, which America West does, people will find out about it, then the name will be known and people will fly the airline.
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 9:01 am

FlyCMH -
i appoligize selfish was the wrong word to us. maybe they would make you airpoart a satilite ! seeing how awa has it and twa loves the midwest. you never know
i appoligize if i seemed cold harted 300 peoples is alot
 
twa747100
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 9:22 am

So what will happen to twa and awa when this happens and what will hapen to bill compton and ginter...will they go where all bad people go?
 
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Twa

Sun Jul 18, 1999 9:23 am

I beleave TWA is not doing that bad. They eventualty are phasing out there Dc-9's (which i am sad about). They are also getting a new corperate identey and are reaciving a new plane evey day in 1999. and also before the 800 crash they had pretty much spotless record for almost 20 years.
 
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RE: Twa

Sun Jul 18, 1999 10:35 am

Just because TWA is phasing out it's DC-9's and getting some new aircraft doesn't mean TWA is doing very good... They're having trouble and sadly it looks like they can't survive on their own too much longer.
 
twa747100
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RE: AWA / TWA

Sun Jul 18, 1999 2:43 pm

well there on there feet they made a major opp. out of sju so i think that would be cool
phx,stl,las,sju,jfk what do u think
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Mon Jul 19, 1999 2:51 am

AWA320--don't be too sure about your 'merger'. At UA, we had plenty of the exact same rumors floating around from the same type of 'blabbermouths' that AW has. What materialized out of the UA/AW thing...NOTHING.

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Mon Jul 19, 1999 2:59 am

Yes, the same rumors were floating around and United just about had America West... but Thank God America West refused United's offer! You seem to be forgetting that the America West/United deal was really about to happen... so the rumors floating around were pretty true. This America West/TWA deal is starting out the same as the America West/United deal started out, so I'm not taking any credit away from the things I've heard here at America West.
 
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Nothing Materialized?

Mon Jul 19, 1999 3:04 am

How can you say nothing materialized over the UA/AW deal? The two companies were in talks working out details of the merger... I would say that's a big step! Progress was given to the public through Press Releases...
Yes I know, in the end nothing happened between the two carriers, but it sure was close!
 
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RE: Nothing Materialized?

Mon Jul 19, 1999 3:09 am

Okay...look here...according to Websters Unabridged Dictionary, when something materializes, it TAKES SHAPE and APPEARS IN BODILY FORM. Now...I sure don't see any 737-100's flying in the UA colors.

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Mon Jul 19, 1999 3:15 am

The UA/AW deal about to go through?! Haha...yea...when UA would actually be willing pay for the other 1/2 of what AW was worth! Keep in mind, UA was only offering 1/2 of what they were worth.

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: AWA / TWA

Mon Jul 19, 1999 6:41 am

topic was twa/awa not sws/ua if ua went with swa. swa would be swalloed up!