azjubilee
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NW CRJ-440s

Fri Nov 02, 2001 4:30 am

With deliveries expected to start next year, NW hasn't made any formal announcement as to what carrier will be flying these in the red tailed scheme. Anyone at NW (Favre etc...) have any idea what might be going up there in MSP?

Here in MEM, Express I pretty much thinks they're a shoe in for the planes, but without formal announcements, I hate to jump the gun and jump on that band wagon. Especially when they can't even staff their current airplanes properly.

Here in XJ land, Foley said that XJ would wait until our pilot contract was settled (hopefully by next June, when it is up) before they submit a bid to operate the planes. With that, if they were to be awarded to XJ, he didn't expect to start operating them until Jan of 2003. This brings me back to my original question... whats up for 2002?

Seems kinda fishy that there is no discussion of this on the Bombardier website (for the plane in general) and no leaks from NW on what is going on.

Any ideas from big Daddy red tail?


AZJ
 
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RE: NW CRJ-440s

Fri Nov 02, 2001 11:08 am

Express is probably a shoe in for the first 12-20 planes since they have the program for the CRJ in place already. After that it is anyones guess. It could be Mesaba, Express, or any other carrier that has the CRJ program going such as, well not going to start anything but NW does not want there regional carriers as dominating as Comair was for Delta. So I would not be suprised if you saw another carrier flying a portion of the 44 seat CRJ's.
 
azjubilee
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RE: NW CRJ-440s

Fri Nov 02, 2001 12:59 pm

I understand that a 3rd party could be involved. The question at hand is if there was any information out there floating around the MSP offices of what the heck is going on.


AZJ
 
cv640
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RE: NW CRJ-440s

Fri Nov 02, 2001 1:03 pm

Over here at Eexpress I most people are putting their money on Mesa getting them, or at least a large number of them with us taking up a few. We don't have pay rates or scales set up for a 44 seater and they'd have t be renegotiated and with how bad our contract is we demand that a number of other changes be made, so that won't happen. All the plans on initial order are supposed to be delivered by late 2003 so I don't know if either Express or Mesaba could dtaff that many aircraft quickly. I also thik this would be used in negotiations with Mesaba in your new contract, that is just a guess. Who knows, we are in talks for a third CRJ sim, 3 for 50 planes would be a bit over kill, but 3 for a lrage number of additional 44 seaters would work out, your guess is as good as mine though.
 
azjubilee
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RE: NW CRJ-440s

Fri Nov 02, 2001 1:50 pm

It would intitially make sense for you all to take the initial deliveries. With your CRJ program up and running already it's a no brainer. Plus, TWO maintenance bases exclusively for the CRJ and 3 sims... it would only make sense. However, I can't see them continually shrinking us at XJ only to make Express this huge airlink affiliate for NW. That gets away from their whole theory on spreading the wealth (i.e not buying XJ, to own all their airlink affiliates... a la Comair). I can see building you to be the size of Mesaba to equal the two companies and eventually moving us to be an Avro/Saab/CRJ airlink, while you folks are an all CRJ fleet. I think it is time for MEsaba and Express to put their differences aside and band together to not let a 3rd party in on these airplanes for NW.

I find it really strange that you can't get any info on these planes on the BOmbardier website! I can't even find the archived press releases on the NW website. Very strange...

AZJ/MEM
 
cv640
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RE: NW CRJ-440s

Fri Nov 02, 2001 8:43 pm

Neither one of us is getting all of them, that has been known since day 1. Some people like to start rumors, what's an airline without rumors, but it would make no sense. There are order for 75 I believe with options for another 125. That's 200 jets, I doubt NWA wants 1 commuter with over 200 aircraft, way too much power. Its the typical NWA plan, to play the two commmuters against each other. Soon enough the fist batch will have to be announced, if the delivereies start in the summer, someone will have to be told by December. Until then though, its all just guessing and speculating. Fly safe, that Avro is nice as can be to fly on, I'm pulling my hair out getting ready for my type over here.
 
SteveT
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RE: NW CRJ-440s

Sat Nov 03, 2001 2:02 am

I found the archived press release on nwa.com.
http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2001/pr070920010709.html
It doesn't say which airline will operate them, only "one or more regional partners" or words to that effect.

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