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Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 12:18 am



I was wondering but I have found that none of the American airlines fly into Luxembourg and I can not find a direct transatlantic flight from the U.S. to Luxembourg. Is there just not a market?
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Ikarus
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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 12:29 am

If I remember correctly, Luxembourg's transatlantic needs are easily covered by icelandair's cheap flights via Reykjavik or Keflavik. (At least they were, a few years ago) Also, sitting just a few kilometres away from Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany, there's lots of transatlantic services within easy reach. Just a quick drive / train ride away....

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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 1:32 am


Didn't Luxair operate a leased 767-300 into Newark last summer/2 summers ago or is this just in my imagination?
 
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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 1:38 am

Icelandair no longer fly into Luxembourg, they stopped about 2-3yrs ago. However, there is always nearby Germany and Belgium.
 
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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 2:24 am

on the one hand, there´s no major demand regarding transatlantic flights from Luxemburg to the USA.
LUX lies right between FRA, CDG/ORY, BRU and AMS, and especially to FRA connections can easily be made through the Luxair/Lufthansa co-operation (LH owns 13% of LG).
in 1999, Sobelair operated a 767-300 on behalf of Luxair but it was quickly axed.

i believe until the early ´90s Luxair operated a 747SP to New York and to JNB on its own.

btw, i´m living an one hour car drive away from LUX...
and let me tell you, except for some Cargolux 747s and some AN-124s a couple of times there´s nothing really interesting at LUX, imho.

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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 3:26 am

Mmmmh, that Luxair 747SP brings back memories from my childhood.... When we used to live in Luxembourg and my parents took me to the airport, I'd look at that Jumbo and tell my parents it was not as BIG as all the other Jumbos I've seen. They did not believe it. And, to be honest, I did not know that there was a shortened 747 back then. I just thought it LOOKED shorter...

What happened to this beauty?

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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 3:55 am

Luxair did fly to EWR with a leased 763 4x/times. good loads but they lost money.

Perhaps the best aircraft for a LUX-EWR/JFK route would be a 73G or 752.

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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 4:05 am

Hello!

Currently there's only a 3x weekly Cargolux 747-400F flight from LUX to New York JFK plus 1-3 747-200F flights of the Israeli airline CAL.

On the passenger side, Loftleidir/Icelandair operated between 1955 (I think ) and 1999 from Luxembourg via Keflavik/Iceland to New York, starting with a DC-4, then DC-6, Canadair CL-44 (or Rolls-Royce 400 as they called it), DC-8, DC-10 and in the end a Boeing 757.

Loftleidir didn't serve any other place in central/mainland Europe in the 1950's and 60's besides Scandinavia and Prestwick, so Luxembourg was their gateway to Europe. The reason why they stopped after so many years was the huge lowfare competition from other carriers like Lufthansa, Air France, BA etc, making the travel to Luxembourg plus the additional stop enroute not worthwile anymore.

As far as I know Luxair never used the 747SP to New York, it was only used on flights to South Africa, which was also more a political move due to the fact that SAA was not that much welcome in Europe during the time of apartheid.

Luxair used not a Sobelair, but a Citybird 767 for the LUX-Newark route if I remember right. The financial results were desastrous so that the route was cancelled as quick as possible.

The reason is certainly the proximity to other hubs like Frankfurt, Paris and Brussels, but also the very small market in Luxembourg : The city of Luxembourg has only about 80.000 inhabitants, nearby Trier/Germany has about 100.000, so there is really no interesting market base for such an operation.

BTW Daniel, I don't think that Luxembourg is so boring : You get there the Cargolux fleet, the small guys of Luxair, Crossair, KLM, Sabena, BA/Cityflyer, Cimber Air but also MK Airlines 747-200 and DC-8, Atlas Air 747-400 and 200, CAL (Israel) 747-200, China Airlines 747-200 and 400, MNG Airbus A300, Azerbaijan Airlines IL-76, Aerocharter Antonov-74, etc etc. plus not to forget those aircraft that undergo maintenance at cargolux : all Corsair 747's (including the SP F-GTOM!), many 747 and 767 from Air Atlanta Icelandic in the colors of their respective operator, some private DC-8's and so on... I would really not call it boring!


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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 4:53 am

imho, LUX is one of the most exciting airports i can reach from DUS within a two hour drive...
 
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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 5:17 am

A CityBird 767 was just sometimes to fly to EWR. The load was about 60% (could be mistaking one or 2 percent) but they needed about 70 to be profitable.


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Besides Luxemburg is not THAT large airport. 99% are luxair flights with a F50, Emb-145 or 737. Other companies also use small equipment (sabena Dash-8, KLM F-50 etc.) That is not really a good reason to start flying transatlantic is it?

 
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RE: Luxembourg, Is There A Transatl Market?

Sun Nov 04, 2001 7:32 am

Luxembourg has a very small population--the whole country has 250,000 citizens, if I'm not mistaken. While Luxembourg, both the city and country, has its charms, I can assure you that few Americans would visit Europe only to visit Luxembourg. It had its role as a cheap entry/exit point to Europe, but that has now evaporated. Could Luxembourg serve as a transfer hub for some Euro-low-cost carrier? Maybe...