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What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:20 am

What airline that still operates the 747 has operated it for the longest? What airline operates the oldest 747 (don't include cargo, just passenger)? What airlines have operated all versions of the 747, including domestic versions and the SP? Do any airlines operate ALL versions now? Have any airlines operated all versions at one time?
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:26 am

United, British Airways, JAL and Lufthansa are probably all in the running
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:38 am

Qantas have had the -200 (almost counts as a -100 cos it was P&W and delivered in 1971), -200B (with Rollers under the wings, mmmnice), -300, -400, and -SP. And they are the only customer to date for the -400LR. The fleet still includes the -200B, -300, -400 and -SP. In any case the -SP is bizarrely based on the -100, not the -200, even though the -200 was well and truly up and running by the time the -SP was born.

Saudia and SAA have (or did at one point) the -100, -200, -SP, -300 and -400. Indeed, Saudia still have some -100s, so they have the full house right now, probably the only airline to do so (for some reason they uniquely bought some new -100s from Boeing in the late 70s, one of these aircraft tragically crashed in India a few years ago after a midair collision).

JAL have all "in stock" except the -SP which they've never operated (although it was designed very much with them in mind, so they could do JFK-TYO nonstop).

Air France have all except the -SP. Most airlines who ordered the -300 had -200s before it and -400s to follow, ie Cathay, Singapore, Thai, Air-India, Varig. Of this lot, only Air-India had the -100. None ever had the -SP.
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:52 am

One correction to Cedarjet. Neither SAA nor Air India ever operated the 747-100.
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:58 am

I'm pretty sure QANTAS was one of the origianl 747 customers; in fact for a while their jet fleet was all 747, I believe. (I could be wrong).
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 11:14 am

I'd also include KLM (-206) and Air India (-237) (both acquired -200s in 1971), along with Alitalia
(-143, -243), Northwest (-151, -251), and Singapore (-212).
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 11:17 am

UA has operated them since thier introduction.They've operated all models but the -300.BTW I was connecting thru ORD yesterday I got to watch a couple 744's take off.Incredible,I never get tired of watching that! I don't get to see planes this big at home so ORD is always a treat!
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 1:07 pm

When it comes to continuous service of 747's with one airline I think either JL or LH will win. I believe that both airlines got their 747-100's in the late spring of 1970.
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 1:11 pm

Air Canada is not far behind. The began operating -100s in 1971.
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 3:19 pm

Ironminds,

You're correct. QF fleet was once entirely B747's (late 70's/early 80's - before B767-200's arrived)

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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 3:49 pm

HOw long has NW?

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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 4:29 pm

RE QF operating a fleet entirely of 747's yep in the late 1970's- early 1980's. They even boasted about being the only all 747 airline in the world i think. Anyone know if QF lost money by doing this as the 747 is not really suited for some of the routes it was flying at the time e.g Sydney-Auckland etc???
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:00 pm

NW I think was 1 of the first 747 operators, operating the 100, 200 and 400.

SAA would have to have the oldest pax 747's I think, their 200's were delivered to them in 71' 72 and still in service.

QF have always flown 747's Sydney Auckland I think and still fly them daily now.

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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:52 pm

In order of deliveries to customers that still operate the 747 today. If I have missed any, please post.

1 D-ABYA 747-130 19746/12 Del 10-Mar-70 Lufthansa
2 F-BPVA 747-128 19749/19 Del 20-Mar-70 Air France
3 JA8101 747-146 19725/31 Del 22-Apr-70 Japan Airlines
G-AWNA 747-136 19761/23 Del 22-Apr-70 British Airways
5 N601US 747-151 19778/27 Del 30-Apr-70 Northwest
6 I-DEMA 747-143 19729/36 Del 13-May-70 Alitalia
7 N4703U 747-122 19753/52 Del 30-Jun-70 United
8 PH-BUA 747-206B 19922/96 Del 16-Jan-71 KLM
9 CF-TOA 747-133 20013/104 Del 11-Feb-71 Air Canada
10 VT-EBD 747-237B 19959/124 Del 22-Mar-71 Air India
11 4X-AXA 747-258B 20135/140 Del 22-May-71 EL AL
12 VH-EBA 747-238B 20009/147 Del 30-Jul-71 Qantas

You may wish to argue that the British Airways entry does not count as they were delivered to BOAC at the time. But then again would Northwest count as well, as they were called Northwest Orient at the time of delivery?

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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:57 pm

Surely Lufthansa is one of the longest time B747 operators. They received their first B747-130 (D-ABYA) in March (10th) of 1970 as the first European operator.

As LH´s operating versions -230B, -230F and -430 since then they are now operating Jumbo Jet for 31 and a half years.


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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:58 pm

You missed: Singapore Airlines, Air China, Thai, Philippine Airlines, China Airlines, Eva Air, Garuda, Saudi, All Nippon, Air New Zealand, South African, Iberia, Malaysian Airlines and much more!
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 7:58 pm

Sin777er: Yes you are correct I did miss much more, but I only posted the FIRST TWELVE customers up to Qantas & I didn't want to spend all day looking them up!. All of the ones you mentioned (except IBERIA who would be #8 del 2-Oct-70, oops I deleted that in error.) were delivered their 1st 747 after Qantas.

LH744: Yes basically, Lufthansa is the longest 747 operator.
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 11:59 pm

Actually, at that time Northwest did not have Orient in the name. Orient dwas just used for a short time in the late 70's early 80's.

 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:08 am

so which airline got their first 747s before Lufthansa got its?
i know of Pan Am which doesn´t exist anymore (at least not the old Pan Am)...

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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:17 am

As Ned Kelly said, Lufthansa is the oldest 747-operator still around. LH was the first airline outside the US to recieve the 741 and the two american airlines that got them before are both gone now (Pan Am and TWA).

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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:29 am

LY has been operating them forever.
 
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RE: What Airline Has Operated 747 The Longest?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 9:04 am

Lufthansa has indeed operated the B747 longer than any airline who presently has the type in their fleet. Pan Am (gone) and TWA (retired their last 747 several years ago) were the only airlines to receive 747s before Lufthansa. The first 747s delivered to PA and TW:

Pan Am, N733PA, 747-121, del. 12 Dec 69
TWA, N93102, 747-131, del. 31 Dec 69

Pan Am received 10 of its 747-121s and TWA 3 of its 747-131s before Lufthansa took delivery of D-ABYA, its first 747 (a -130) and the 14th 747 delivered by Boeing, on 10 Mar 70.