Todd
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Kai Tak Question

Tue Nov 06, 2001 9:20 am

I just joined this forum after browsing for a few days and have seen some rather hair-raising pictures from Kai Tak. What made this airport so difficult to land? From what I've read, you would make an ILS approach and then make a right turn towards the runway to land. Why?
 
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RE: Kai Tak Question

Tue Nov 06, 2001 9:51 am

The turn was 47 and 1/2 degrees to the right at approximately 300 ft above the buildings of Kowloon.

Not only that, but the turn was so late in the approach that the straight-in final part of the approach lasted only a matter of seconds (10 at most). In fact, many aircraft were still not wings horizontal when they crossed the threshold of rwy 13.

In addition, because of the amount of traffic going into HKG, take-offs and landings had to be very carefully juggled. Very often, ATC clearance for landing came just before the turn was initiated. Also, there was a hill with a giant checkerboard on the approach.

Maybe somebody can tell us even more details.

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RE: Kai Tak Question

Tue Nov 06, 2001 10:15 am

Also only one runway, and when the crosswind hit .... crazyyyyyy!! Search for some topics from end of october. There was a lot of talking about Kai Tak at that time.
 
Todd
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RE: Kai Tak Question

Wed Nov 07, 2001 6:28 am

I did a few touch-and-gos last night in MS Flight Sim 2002. There's a nice small mountain in the way of RWY 13 and a city as you would do a normal approach. I'm guessing that the odd approach that was used on RWY 13 was because of the mountain, noise abatement and staying clear of the city?
 
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RE: Kai Tak Question

Wed Nov 07, 2001 11:30 am

The approach to Rwy 13 was only because of the mountain. FS2000 doesnot show it very well, but the approach to Rwy 13 takes you over heavily populated areas the whole time, not clear of the city at all.....so not for noise abatement either!!
 
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RE: Kai Tak Question

Wed Nov 07, 2001 11:40 am

The Instrumental Guidance System, IGS works like ILS. But since IGS is not to guide acfts all the way to the thershold, that's why it is called IGS approach but not ILS. IGS would guide acfts towards the checker boxes on the hills, then pilots have to make visual right turn down to the rwy 13. IGS would NOT guide pilots all the way down to the rwy.

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RE: Kai Tak Question

Fri Nov 09, 2001 11:00 am

Thanks for the input! Does anyone else have more to add? I find this one interesting airport.
 
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RE: Kai Tak Question

Fri Nov 09, 2001 12:27 pm

Did the traffic pattern at Kaitak ever go the other direction??? The only pics you see are the ones for approach to 13... I guess climbing over the mountian might not really work to well. Did they just put up with the tail wind when there was one?

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RE: Kai Tak Question

Fri Nov 09, 2001 12:34 pm

I live in Hong Kong and actually there are planes from both directions, and usually in winter Kai Tak will take-off and land on 31.

When i was at school I could see the planes soaring up into the skies in Autumn and Winter, but usually approaching in summer!Now all i can see is a small spot far away over the hills of Lion Rock!

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