User avatar
American 767
Topic Author
Posts: 3998
Joined: Wed May 19, 1999 7:27 am

Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:40 pm

Hi everyone,
As you certainly know, especially if you live in Brussels, Sabena has been declared bankrupt already three days ago after which 12000 Sabena employees were on the streets protesting against the new social plan.
A new Brussels based Belgian airline, founded with what was left over of Sabena's subsidiary DAT, is being studied and could start operations as of tonight. The new Sabena, DAT+, or whatever the name will be, will fly to various destinations in Europe and Africa as well as two destinations in the United States: New York (probably JFK instead of EWR) and Boston. It will take all the Avro RJ's coming from DAT and will pick up 8 A319's and 5 A330's. Those Airbusses are ex-Sabena I'm sure, some of them are still "sleeping" on the tarmac of Brussels National Airport, three A319/A320's left yesterday for Chatearoux, a place in Southern France where old airliners are retired or resting waiting their next owner. In other words, Chateauroux is the French Mohave.
Now my question is: WHY do they stay away from the 737? When Sabena shut down three days ago, it still had a few 737's left, 300 and 500 series. Every Belgian airline that has ever existed, except VLM (they fly Fokker 50's only), has operated at one time the Boeing 737. If I undestand well, the new airline will be the first Brussels based airline that will not operate any 737, they could pick up a few ex-Sabena 737's resting on the tarmac at Zaventem but...they don't want to, I don't have the impression that they are interested in those. Are those 737's gonna "sleep" in Zaventem for ever?

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium
Ben Soriano
Posts: 1883
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2001 7:01 am

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:44 pm

My guess is that the crews flying the A319(and A320?) will also fly the A330. Cross qualification is only possible on Airbus and saves a lot of money.
Posts: 6465
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:47 pm

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sat Nov 10, 2001 9:14 pm

Wasn't the 737 slated for retirement/disposal by Sabena anyway ?

When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Posts: 1052
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:38 am

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sat Nov 10, 2001 9:45 pm

Slz396, is cross qualification possible on A319/320 + A330 ?

Regards, SN-A330
I would rather be flying...
Posts: 102
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 1999 7:59 am

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sat Nov 10, 2001 10:00 pm

Yes, cross qualification is possible on 319/320+330.
319/320 is considered as the same for type rating.
At Swissair they used to (and maybe still do) be qualified that way.
Now, to say that it saves a lot of money is another story, as at Sabena (I was qualified on 330+340) the instuctors kept telling us that it was more a cost than a benefit to maintain both type ratings.

User avatar
Flying Belgian
Posts: 1916
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2001 12:45 am

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 5:12 pm

Well, I heard that DAT might still operate the remaining Boeing 737-500 for "operational reasons" in the begining of the new Belgian Airline. It's an executive member of DAT who told me.

Life is great at 41.000 feet...
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2001 6:24 am

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:30 pm

Standardization is the key to cutting costs in most industries. If there are enough (newer?) Airbuses to choose from, why introduce a few older Boeings.
If it was the other way round and most of their newer aircraft were Boeing, they would probably have gone for an all 737/767 fleet.

Remember a similar plan has been operating at BA for some time now. Their long term strategy is
narrow body=Airbus
wide body=Boeing

Posts: 461
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:21 am

Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:43 pm

All Sabena 737's are sold. They were all to be phased out as the new A320 series aircraft entered service. None of that has changed, even with Sabena being bankrupt. The possibility still exists that the new Sabena may take 737's instead of the A319's because beginning from scratch gives you the possibility to renegotiate all contracts (along with the financial advantages) The events of September 11th has worked in the new Sabena's favor because there is now an over capacity of aircraft on the market, giving a large choice and very interesting leasing possibilities (up to 50% cheaper than roughly 2 months ago.) In other words anything is still possible... to be continued...
Posts: 3372
Joined: Sun May 21, 2000 6:22 pm

RE: Why No 737's In The "new Sabena"?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 10:44 pm

Why should they go with the B737? Only beacuse other belgian airlines have operated them? This would be a silly way to explain a fleet strategy, IMHO.

dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment

Popular Searches On

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos