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737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 5:26 pm

I just recently, for the first time, flew with American on one of their 737-800s and I really can't say I was impressed.

Performance wise the a/c I'm sure is great. But, interior wise it sucks compared to an Airbus. First, the overhead bins are identical to the ones on Airbus. Second, if you are sitting on the window seat, with an Airbus the light that is attached to the overhead actually shines over the middle seat because the wall curves over that far when intercepting the overhead. Make sense? I see Boeing is still using the exact dimensiuons as the first 737 that came out over 30 years ago. And finally, the overhead ceilings look the same as the 737-200/100s.

Why does AA install TV monitors instead of popdowns? At least w/ popdowns you can use the 738 on short trips and never have them come down vs. having blank monitors.

 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 5:43 pm

First, the overhead bins are identical to the ones on Airbus.

Why is this a bad thing if you say that it "sucks compared to an Airbus"?



Second, if you are sitting on the window seat, with an Airbus the light that is attached to the overhead actually shines over the middle seat because the wall curves over that far when intercepting the overhead. Make sense?

No it doesn't make sense. I would hope that the light would shine on the seat it is intended for. You make it sound as if the Airbus lights are misaligned.



I see Boeing is still using the exact dimensiuons as the first 737 that came out over 30 years ago.

Well, it is after all a 737...... You don't explain why this is a bad thing.



And finally, the overhead ceilings look the same as the 737-200/100s.

Again you don't explain why this is a bad thing.


One of these days I'll have to catch a flight on an Airbus narrowbody to see if I think there is a difference.

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 5:53 pm

IMO I think the similarities between the 737-200 and the NG is that the NG is the latest improvement in design. So why would they have an interior that looks 30 years old, albeit the overhead bins? Everything else about the 737NGs are designed for the future. And, sitting behind the wings of these things after having many flights on the 737 classics, this is obvious. You can definetly feel these things flying faster, higher and quieter than their "classic" predessors. So the interior, why so old looking?

Anyone who has flown the Airbus 319/320 and sat on the window should know what I mean.
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:05 pm

Bove: You are right, I'm probably the only one in the world that has noticed, but hey, we are all airline freaks on this forum and we all have to admit, when it comes to fetishes and planes, we all have them! Mine are the interiors!  Smile
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:18 pm

Ok, This dude says that the ceiling is the same on the 100/200, and the 800/900

Hmm, Can we confirm this???

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:24 pm

I would rather fly on a 737 NG then on an airbus anyday
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:25 pm

Hmmm, yet another Bus v Boeing thread.

When I'm travelling down the back, I must admit that I prefer the 'bus.
I'm not what you'd call large, but I do find the seating in the 737 to be rather tight, especially the seat width.
With the new style bins on the 737/8/9, their larger size does seem to encroach considerably more on the cabin, which reduces the perceived spaciousness whilst also increasing the feeling that you're sat in a narrow tube.
The busses, on the other hand, are physically larger, and it does show. Even in a high density config., I find it easier to get comfortable......try eating a meal on a 737/8/9 without rubbing arms and shoulders with the person next to you !
And am I the only person who gets neck ache from looking through a 737's window ?
These qualities have obviously not been ignored by the majors; consider how many were once big time 727 or 737 operators but who are now big on busses:
British Airways
BMI British Midland
Sabena RIP
Air France
United
Mexicana
Lufthansa
NWA
to name just a few.
The Boeing is a superb example of technical evolution. Personally, however, I think Boeing should have bitten the bullet and gone for a clean sheet when deciding to replace the 300/400/500s. The A320 was too early in its life at the time for a major change, so Boeing could have stolen a lead and designed a true market leader, just as the 100/200s were at their inception.
As things stand, passenger preference for the bus and the economics of a complete range of aircraft with total commonality might prove to be too irresistable for other airlines to ignore.

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:55 pm

I would fly on jetBlue's A320 over any 737. I love their appealing planes.
 
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BlueShamu

Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:27 am

"With the new style bins on the 737/8/9, their larger size does seem to encroach considerably more on the cabin, which reduces the perceived spaciousness whilst also increasing the feeling that you're sat in a narrow tube.
The busses, on the other hand, are physically larger, and it does show. Even in a high density config., I find it easier to get comfortable......try eating a meal on a 737/8/9 without rubbing arms and shoulders with the person next to you !
And am I the only person who gets neck ache from looking through a 737's window ?


Ever try sitting in a window seat in any Airbus for that matter? You kinda' get the feeling the wall is creeping up on you, taking away arm space. And it's the same thing on the A320, the passanger cabin is pushed upwards to make way for the cargo hold, therefore "lowering" the window, and taking away from arm space.

-Tom
 
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RE: BlueShamu

Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:42 am

The only difference in space between the bus and the 737 is those extra 7 inches of cabin width. Thats an extra INCH per person. One Inch. Now you can't tell me that one inch makes a difference. I flew a CO 73G and a UA A319 within several months of eachother. The only difference in both flights (besides the stuff that varies from airline to airline) was that the A319 was slighly quieter on takeoff. Both were equally quiet during cruise and landing. Both also climbed very quickly.
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:43 am

I am sick of all this crap about the width of the Airbus and Boeing. The A320 is BARELY wider, so you cannot tell a difference in cabin width!

I prefer the 73-7 and 738 over the A320.
 
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The747Man

Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:14 pm


Call it what you like, but all the crap about cabin width does make a difference.

BA did a customer survey in which passengers were asked what the liked or disliked about the aircraft they were travelling in. In the "comments" section, more than 80% of the respondents travelling on the 319/320 specifically mentioned space as being greater in the A320 compared to the 737.

BMI carried out a very similar passenger census amongst its frequent fliers, and, surprise surprise, the most common comment was that there was more room on the bus, and the 2 most common keywords used were "spacious" and "comfortable."

Of course, a few thousand customers could be totally wrong, but in an era when competition and revenue drives everything, which airline CEO would be dumb enough to ignore such comments when replacing or upgrading his/her fleet ?

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:35 pm

1" per person does not sound like much, but relative to the amount of space available per person it suddenly becomes more.
The seatwidth on a 737 is say 20" (maybe a bit more) not counting the armrest. 1" is 5% extra space, which can make the difference between having to squeeze in and to sit down.

I haven't flown a lot of busses, and that quite some time ago (this being Boeing country) so I can't speak from personal experience, but 737s do have narrow seats (especially in economy, business is nice  Smile ).
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:10 pm

IMO:
Having flown on dozens of 737's (200,300,400,500,800) and 757's(200) they are definately more "cramped" than the Airbus narrowbodies.
Nothing beats the 757 in terms of its grace and looks, but in terms of interior comfort, the boeings lose.
It may only be 7" wider, but it makes a difference!
I have got the Airbus A320 range specification for Airlines at home, and it is very heavily compared to the 737 and 757 aircraft throughout. The cross sections of the airbus and 757 are placed alongside each other, and even pictorally the airbus looks considerably bigger, although it isnt that much bigger!

 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:40 pm

I disagree. I like the 737-800. It's crisp, modern, and a nice ride. I was skeptical about it, going to San Francisco from Newark in January last year on Continental and it was a great flight. Smooth ride and although our flight was delayed one hour on departure owing to an approaching mega-snow storm, we arrived in SFO 35 minutes ahead of schedule.

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:26 pm

I'm sorry but nobody, never, never, never, ever is going to tell me that the Airbus A319/320 is better than the NG737.

Try doing London Gatwick-Banjul (6hrs) 2,700 miles in a fully laden A320 - the things sometimes struggle to do Corfu-UK (3-4hrs).

The NG737s definately whoop the ass off any Airbus, the B737-600/700/800/900s are altogether superior products.

And at least a Boeing does what it is told to do by it's pilots and not it's computers.

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:23 am

I like both the 737NG and A320 family. but I do work
the 738 all the time, and I have been on the A320 many times. I can tell you deltaflyertoo, that the 738 does not have the same overhead bins as the A320. The
A320's are larger. That is why I prefer that 320's overhead bin space. but I love them both! Big grin

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:40 am

One extra inch doesn't make a difference???

With the economy seats already being so tight, and myself being 6+ feet tall, I'll tell you than any inch makes a HUGE difference.

And why do you think people obsess so much about seat pitch on this forum? Because every inch matters. It doesn't matter which direction.
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:41 am

As someone who likes to nodd off on a window seat... I find the circular cross section of the A320 family less comfortable to lean on than the 737s' more oval cross section. I'd fly on any of the 2 (except a Lufthansa A321)...  Smile

Looking at the pics, I don't see much difference between the classics and the NGs except for the optical illusion of the new design giving the perception of more space... (WTF? So where's the real space?)

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:20 am

Why do we always discuss exact measures in emotional terms?

The 320 cabin is 7 inches wider than the 737. In 3x3 configuration there are four places where shoulder/elbows meet. With the same aisle width, if the shoulder/elbow separation is 2 inches on the 737, then it is 2 plus 7/4 = 3.75 inches on the 320. That's quite simple math.

On my emotional scale: With 3x3 config. the 320 is tight, the 737 is cramped.

Some airlines have figured it, and at least in business class configured their 737s 2x3. That of course beats everything.

But what does it matter? Both planes are made for flights lasting no more than a few hours. The tighter shoulder separation is more disturbing on a transatlatic flight on a 3x3 configured 757 which shares the 737 (727, 707) cabin width.

And after all legroom is a far more important comfort parameter. And totally airline decision dependant.

My only long flight on a Boeing 3x3 configured narrow body plane was on a 707 fifteen years ago. We were 11 pax on board. I put up the armrests and slept on 3 seats, quite comfu...  Big thumbs up

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:59 am

First of all, the original post makes no sense. The writer says the Airbus is better, and then sites the Boeing's overhead bins that are like the Airbus' overhead bins as a Boeing "drawback".

Huh?

As far as seat width goes, I believe each airline puts in seats to its specifications. For instance, on United, their seat width is 18" on their A320s. On Northwest, it is 17.17". (Both figures come directly from those airline's websites.)

The Boeing 737-800 looks like it has uniform 17" seat width (at least on the DL and AA planes).

If you think passengers notice the .17" difference in width between a NW A320 and an AA 738, you are crazy. And frankly, what I would notice as a passenger (and have noticed), is the difference in seat pitch: 31-32" on a NW A320 vs. 33-36" on an AA 738.

I'm not going to get into an A vs. B war, just pointing out that anyone who says one plane has substantial advantages over the other (ESPECIALLY when it comes to airline-specific measurements of seat pitch and width) is wrong.
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:34 am

I don't know if this has been said, but the overheads and interior of the 737-800's vary from airline to airline. Continental has the large overheads that can accomodate roll-ons straight in allowing about 4-5 across. Continental also is installing an extra lav in the center of the aircraft like the -900. Continental also has the pop down screens and psu lights that can be moved around for your reading pleasure. Don't knock the aircraft, as it is only as comfortable as the airline chooses it to be.
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:16 pm

NG737PSR

Errrrm, the 'Busses were never designed for 6 hour legs in charter config. I also question your comment that the 320 struggles to get to CFU. For the last 3 years we've regularly done MAN or EMA - LCA, PFO, RHO with the 321 and I can't ever remember "struggling" to make destination.

Maybe your 738s have nicer coffee pots, but ask the passengers what they think of 6 hours in the highest density 738s in the world with only 30" pitch (or is it 29" ?). Leather seats and linen head rests hardly make the experience more pleasant. As someone else commented, each aircraft is only as pleasant as the airlines want them to be.

I never said that the 737NGs were a bad product; infact, to avoid the usual Airbus v Boeing slanging match, I said they were an excellent example of technical evolution, and I stand by that.

However, technical evolution of a design is a finite thing; if it wasn't, we'd all be flying around in supersonic Dakotas now.

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:22 pm

I thought this topic was to discuss the "comfort" of the Airbus compared to the 737 and not the performance of the two?

 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:48 am

And now we are comparing the comfort of a 737NG in a charter layout to that of an A320 in standard configuration?

Give me a break.

Again: seat dimensions, seat pitch, overhead bin size, leather vs. cloth, etc. are ALL at an airline's discretion. I suppose the 737-800 is more comfortable than all A320s because AA has MRTC?
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Wed Nov 14, 2001 2:12 am

All airbus narrows I have been on have been more comfortable than the endless amount of boeing narrows I have been on.
But i still like the 757 more than any other airbus in terms of its looks.
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Wed Nov 14, 2001 4:19 am

I fly for AA and I'll take 3 more inches of legroom over an inch wider seat anytime. I work the 737 all the time and passengers seem to like it, the overhead bins can fit 3 rollaboards each and with the new carry on regs they are rarely filled. The f/c galley is a bitch to work for 20 pax if you are not organized otherwise it is fine and the coach galley is great, just like a 75 but with only 115 pax. The only thing I don't like about it is that their isn't a lav in between first and coach.

Out of Boston we fly transcons to SAN and SEA. The IFE consists of TVs from the ceiling and on the bulkheads. We show movies and CBS eye on American, so it passes the time for the pax.

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Blue Shamu330s

Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:00 am

Its obvious by every post you respond too and where you are from that you are so bias against Boeing that
they could build the greatest plane in the world and you
would still say Airbus is better! I have flown both
Airbus and Boeings and I find both to be fine aircraft! I find both to be pretty equal except I would prefer a 767 or 777 over any Airbus.
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:15 am

call me a pacifist, BUT.

I just flew both an A319 from dallas to philly, and a 733 back. They're both fine. In USAir's config, the 319 is much more comfortable. And newer, brighter, friendlier. However, I have been on a great number of 737s that were better than US's and I have to say that yes, it is entirely up to the airline to make a plane pleasant.

Now, talk about efficiency, THAT is up to the manufacturer. The extra 7" of width on the airbus gives it more drag. The engines make up for it. Stuff like that, bt really, legroom? And the standard seat with nationwide (standard, other people have quoted airline websites so that's fine, but normally) I find the average to be 17.5 inches. now, 17.17 inches differs from 17.5 inches by... exactly a third of an inch. That's like.... practically... an entire centimeter. Whoop. These small things make little difference for a four hour flight. What makes a difference is the quality/quantity of food, flight crew frendliness, lavatory cleanliness.... things like that. Legroom is nice (thanks, AA) but so long as they give us 31 or so, we'll survive.

It's a cattle car way to travel nowadays, and I don't think anyone would have you believe otherwise.

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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:36 am

Ive been on a TAM A320 and a KLM 737-800...i actually prefered the 737, although both were very nice. TAM was operating the 320 on a MIA-MAO flight...6.5 hours, which I thought was bit far to sit in a 320, but it was ok. The KL 738 was from BCN to AMS, and I wish I could have been on it longer. The seats were comfortable, the cabin was gorgeous (not to mention it had only been in service for about 3 months, so it was brand new), and the legroom was better than on the 320. I must say there was a huge difference in the 738 cabin from the cabin on the 733 flight to PRG later that day....
 
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RE: 737-800s-NOT All That

Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:44 am

''I would prefer a 767 or 777 over any Airbus. ''-and you appear of neutral opinion.