legolars
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Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:51 pm

anyone?
 
donder10
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:54 pm

Depends on many factors:
engines being a major one
length of flight
how near the plane is to MGTOW etc
 
ba777-236
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 1:26 am

I have no proof about this, but I believe that the the A330 has more range but the 777 has a lower seat-cost.

Ba777-236
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wingman
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:02 am

In my opinion, the seats on the Airbus are cheaper. I've ridden in all three planes and the 777 seats feel like better quality. Plus they're made in Japan, which is a very expensive place to make seats. The Airbus seats are made in China. They look good but the quality is awful. So I think it's safe to say that Airbus has lower seat costs.

 
donder10
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:07 am

Wingman,
maybe Boeing are taking advantage of the negative inflation currently being experienced in Japan  Big grin
 
Scorpio
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 3:27 am

In my opinion, the seats on the Airbus are cheaper. I've ridden in all three planes and the 777 seats feel like better quality.

The quality of the seats has nothing to do with the aircraft. Airlines choose the type of seats they wish to use in their aircraft. The same companies make these chairs for both Airbus and Boeing.
 
Skystar
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:02 pm

I think Wingman is pulling our legs  Smile

Cheers,

Justin
 
vulindlela744
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:44 pm

Hello people. We are not talking about the actual seats here. We are talking economics. Get a clue. By the way, Airbus is the clear winner here.
 
UAL747
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:54 pm

The 777 has far better range than the A330. And as far as the 777/Airbus.........well, you have to look at max payload, and range......

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gerardo
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:01 pm

Sure, the 777 has more range than the A330. That's because they were designed for different missions. Why should an airline buy the 777, if they don't need that range?

Gerardo
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Udo
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Mon Nov 12, 2001 8:49 pm

I think the B707 still has the lowest seat mile costs, but the DC-8 is coming close...
Me & You & a Plane Named Blue...
 
Andreas
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Wingman: Good One!

Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:54 pm

MegaLLLoooLLL!!
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Hamlet69
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:53 am

Wingman,

AWESOME!! I just read this thread after hearing about the events in NYC this morning, and really enjoyed the break in atmosphere

Vulindlela744,

"By the way, Airbus is the clear winner here."

ooookkkkaaaayyyy. . . let me use another of your own expressions - Get a clue.


Legolars,

To answer your original question, it does indeed depend on any number of factors, the major ones being:

- stage length
- aircraft configuration (seating)
- aircraft MTOW
- engine type (A330 & 777)

Therefore, one definitive answer is not going to be found, no matter how biased one happens to be.

Hamlet69
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mandala499
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RE: Lowest Seat-cost, A330/340 Or B777

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:00 am

Before 9/11, leases and values would be:
A330-300 Aircraft Lease: $663-787K per month, or $75 (2nd hand) to 97 million to buy.
777-200ER is: $815 - 860K and 102.5 - 118 million respectively...

Use the leases and assume a monthly utilitisation rate, that would give you a cost/hour for the jets.. then divide the number by the seats in the plane, and that would give you a per seat hour cost for the aircraft.

You must then work out the crew cost, Maintenance, and Insurance costs per hour... after all that, add the fuel ! Don't believe what the manufacturers say...

Mandala499
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