Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 1:07 am

I'm wondering how many of you have been on a flight that has arrived before it left. For example on my trip back from Helsinki, Finland to San Francisco last Saturday, we left late, about 20 minutes behind schedule (about 1710 Helsinki local time) but the flight time, which is usually much longer than the trip over because of fighting the jet stream was shorter than the trip over, with a flight time of 9:22. The estimated flight time in the Finnair timetable lists a 10:40 flight time. Nevertheless, we arrived an hour ahead of schedule (throwing SFO into some sort of chaos I must admit) at 1630 San Francisco local time, literally arriving before departure. Some short flights (like HEL-ARN) regularly arrive 5 min. before departure (in local times of course) So if you have been on a flight like this, post a reply, be sure to include flight number, from where to where, and flight time.



RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 2:34 am

Delta flights from Atlanta to Huntsville, AL, arrive 10 minutes "before" they've departed. The flying time is 50 minutes, and there is one hour time change.

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RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 3:34 am

All trans-Pacific flights from Tokyo NRT to US and Canada can arrive before they depart. For example, NW flight 18 NRT-JFK leaves NRT at 16:00 local time, which is 4 am NY time. After a flight of about 11 1/2 hours, it touches down in JFK at about 15:30.

Many US domestic flights that flight across time zone can arrive before they leave. For example, flights from Detroit (DTW) to Chicago (ORD) takes about 50 minutes and ORD is one hour behind DTW.

I am sure you can observe this situation on Russian domestic flights because of the vastness of the country.
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RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 3:37 am

This happens all over the world. Leave Sydney Australia at 2pm, arrivein L.A. at 8 am the same day. Also, fly from most places in Michigan (Grand Rapids, Saginaw, etc.) they all arrive before leaving as the flight are short, but Chicago is an hour behing Michigan

RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 6:07 am

I think Johans wants to know if you've ever been on a flight that arrived at its destination much earlier than it was due.
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RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 7:43 am

The westbound Concorde flights do that.
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RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Wed Jul 21, 1999 9:26 am

JZ and Ken were right on about the DTW-ORD/MDW thing. I was on a NW A320 to O'hare from Detroit Metro, and it arrived about 10 minutes before it left. Same thing with TOL-ORD, AZO-ORD, and countless others into the Chicago area, due to its close proximity to the time zone line.
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RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Thu Jul 22, 1999 1:56 am

24291 is somewhat right. What you guys have said is part of what I want, but I was wondering if any of you could explain why in the heck we went so much faster on a westbound flight (especially because we are fighting the jet stream all the way) with a flight time 23 minutes faster then the eastbound flight, which usually is the shorter flight. I really could make no sense of it myself, the AirShow system (which tells you where you are, how long to arrival, time at origin and destination, speed, etc.) on my aircraft (the first MD-11 to enter passenger service in the world by the way, registered OH-LGA) has some serious problems with it, at least on our flight.
#1: We were flying to San Francisco. The AirShow system thought we were flying to New York (when the mileage to destination bar starts going up instead of down it's funny)
#2: The AirShow system mysteriously reset itself just off the coast of Greenland, so the system believed we took off from the North Atlantic Ocean. Odd.
#3: No explanation from the captain over the intercom why we were going so fast (we were doing about 1016 kph)

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RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Thu Jul 22, 1999 2:37 am

Not always is there a headwind when crossing the polar region westbound; I think the jetstream is most prominent a little bit south from the area over which AY047 travels. You could have even had a tailwind, and therefore have a speed of 1016 kph, it's not impossible. In fact I think it's pretty safe to say you did have a tailwind if your flight time was just 9:22.

RE: Arrival Before Departure?

Thu Jul 22, 1999 3:21 am

Happened to me almost in every international flight I did. Last time was leaving from Sydney, Australia to LAX, at 3:00 on flight QF007/011 and arrived at LAX at 7:00AM of that same day, so you basically gain some hours in life. So if you regret your past for those hours, you can go back and re-live it for corrections!!! hehehe

Same happened in flights from Australia to South America, where using the same airway, the return trip was longer because of the opposing headwinds. A stop was also necessary when going to Australia for refuelling. So, to compensate, I ended up losing a day in life when I went back there.

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