mirrodie
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Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:00 am

Since 9/11, we've got military jets flying overhead.
Beleive me, I don't know the details.
Why?????

Please tell me it's for the percieved threat that we'd fire upon an airliner in the vicinity. Otherwise, I think they are useless waste of our tax payer dollars!

I love jets, but I really don't see what an F-15 or 16 would do? God forbid we had another terrorsit threat in NYC what would they do? Circle and watch? Shoot down the city?
I apologize if I am being too practical. But as much as I love our jets, I don't see they utility.

I could see an EA-6B Prowler or Viking S-3 or AWACS in the area doing some sort of James Bondish recon and surveillance over NYC, listening in on everything going down in the city. But hey, who am I kidding??


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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:11 am

AWACS are in the area as well. AWACS are covering the entire US right now, a couple US and five NATO planes. I personally saw an AWACS yesterday after the crash - I had heard the airspace was closed and saw a real-time map showing no planes in the area, so I was wondering what the heck that large, high-flying plane was outside my window. Looked closer and saw the faint hint of its radar appendage. It looked to be somewhere around 15,000 feet.

As for the fighters, yes, they're here to shoot down another hijacked plane. I'm sure you're well aware that there are continuing terrorist threats against the US, and while the sound of the F-15's flying above does drive me nuts, I feel reassured that they're up there.

I don't think it's costing a hell of a lot of money to keep them up there. They were on standby ready to scramble before 9/11 anyway; the only added cost to flying them instead is fuel and maybe some extra maintenance. A small price to pay for even the little bit of extra safety they bring. If they'd been up there on 9/11, we'd probably still have a couple buildings standing right now that aren't.
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redngold
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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:14 am

Hmm... maybe for SECURITY??? Maybe because there's 25 million people there? Maybe because there's rush hour 24 hours a day, seven days a week, over numerous bridges and through numerous tunnels? Maybe because there's a nuke plant only 45 miles up the river?

Hmm....

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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:20 am

Huh? A waste of money?

Two air to air missiles fired by a NYC combat air patrol on 9/11 would have:

-Mentally ruined the pilots who had to shoot them.
-Destroyed two civillian passenger jets.
-Kept the day's tragedy in numbers in low hundreds instead of the thousands.

Forgive me if I'm drawing conclusions, but you seem to think the events in New York on that Tuesday morning couldn't possibly happen again. That's naive.

As far as the cost, keep in mind that this country had one if not more specially modified 707 jetliners airborne constantly for 35 years or so (the "Looking Glass" nuclear command and control aircraft) in the name of national defense. So we've footed such bills before.
 
mirrodie
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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:04 am

Naive, not really. Realistic? Definitely.

Spacecadet, I appreciate your views and comments. Like I mentioned, I was not sure what was up there.

Redngold, ask yourself: Is it even necessary that I type this? note: It's a right to free speech, not an obligation.
PS- I live in and have breathed NYC my whole live. I know why they are there.

Heavymetal- Perhaps yours was a foregone conclusion as stated. I agree on your points however, perhaps there are better ways to use our military resources.


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HSV
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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:15 am

They fighter jets may seem like they are useless but think about this... would you break the speed limit if there are a cop following you. You probably wouldn't so is it a waste of tax payers money to employ that cop?
 
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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:47 am

Military Jets have rights to fly over airspace anytime, anywhere. They are there to look out for suspicious of terrors if any happeneing or planned.

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Tbird
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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:06 am

Greetings:

Military jets are always flying somewhere over the U.S on training missions and during the Cold War as stated by Heavymetal protecting the U.S from the Soviets. This time their protecting us from Terroists. You do have valid point, but I much rather have my tax dollars spent on F16's patrolling the skies then on some pork barrel BS spending.

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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:20 am

Hey Mrrodie, when I flew to ISP from BWI 2 weeks after 9-11 I saw 2 fighter jets flying in formation and was somewhat apprehensive. That whole weekend I was in NY, I could hear them during the day and see their lights at night. On my return flt from ISP I saw one flying parrallel to our flight but as we left the NYC area he turned and appeared to be going back to NY. I can also see the fighters when flying over Baltimore and the DC area at night. One has to wonder what would the pilot be thinking if he/she was given the green light to shoot down a passenger jet if ordered to do so. Is it possible for the fighters to shoot to disable the jet so it would have half a chance to land safely?
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mirrodie
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RE: Why The Military Jets Over Nyc?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:29 pm

I noticed some funky fighter flying on my ISP-BWI RT too. I think I have gotten used to it. Do I feel safer? Not really.

As far as shooting the plane to disable it, I would think its a possibility.

Points understood. But I'm sorry, you seem to forget I'm near all this garbage. So you aren't really saying anything new guys.

Consider this: Barring any another airliners intentionally flying into any buildings, what will a fighter do?

Bridges, tunnels, powerplants, water supplies....with so many targets, what is fighter to do?

Sorry for being a cynic but I feel about as safe with them up in the air as I do when I see our unarmed Nat'l Guard troops in the city.

Security is a good thing when its thought out. Send up a Prowler with recon and a few missiles

I welcome your comments. Really, I do. But all I ask for is a valid arguement, not facts I know already.

Spacecadet, Heavymetal, Tbird and Zebfly2...all well conceived points.
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