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Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:34 am

Ok I have a question.
11/12 AA A300 flight crashes.
9/11 AA and UAL have planes hijacked.
July 96 TWA Flight 800 crashes
March 92 USAir plane crashes
Jan 90 Avianca (is that US?) crashes
June 75 Eastern plan crashes
Feb 65 ANOTHER Eastern plane crashes
March 62 AA plan crashes
Dec 60 UAL and TWA planes collide midair
Feb 59 AA Plane crashes.
Most of these are just NY Crashes. There are a few exceptions (Egyptair and Swissair) is it me or do the US airliners have bad fate?
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:37 am

Hmmmm... could it be that there are more American jets flying in America?


And Avianca isn't American.
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:37 am

Also Concorde crash was because of a CO DC-10.
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:39 am

That is true that there are more American jets. Oh look, we posted at the same time! LOL  Smile
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:03 pm

Maybe it is proportional to the amount of flying that is done. 700 million Americans flew last year and the numbers are projected to increase year over year.

700 MILLION people, that's just under 3996 flights each day on a 480 seat 747 @ 100% load factor for a year.

or that is 14752 flights each day on a 130-seat MD-80 with a 100% load factor for a full year.

think about that, just the sheer numbers of planes.

Then you have the private planes, VFR, IFR and all those fortune 500 companies that have FLEETS.

Couple of points
US Air had 5 crashes in 5 years
also the reporting of crashes here is higher (since the government here gets involved in airline crashes)

If you gather ALL the crashes (including the TU-154s, the Yaks, South America, Australia, Africa, Asia, and Europe) I bet you will find that the proportional amount of crashes occur (i would gather that flight completion ratio of the US-bsaed airlines is actually higher than other airlines).
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:21 pm

Dont forget the
Alaska Air recently
US Air Charlotte 1995
American Eagle December 1994 (my roommate was on that plane  Sad )
And there was another American eacle in Sept of 1994 i think too

The US/Canadian ariways are the busiest in the world. There will be more accidents here jsut because of sheer probability.
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:24 pm

In fact, US airlines as a whole have an extremely low accident rate - among the lowest (if not the lowest) in the world.
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:27 pm

Well, for Heaven's Sake !!!!

You've consolidated 42 YEARS worth of airliner travel, and listed a just a handful of accidents!

And you're concentrating on JUST U.S. airlines during this forty-plus-year period. There are bound to be several US crashes in that amount of time. And hundreds more besides, both US and Intl.! That list is just a drop in the bucket for the years spanned.
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:30 pm

The US Airline market is the largest in the world, but your post is idiotic and stupid. There are airline crashes all over the world. China Airlines, SAS in Milan, Singapore Airlines........Come on. Be a little more intelligent or don't post.

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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:42 pm

Well, if you break the numbers down it all boils down to simple statistics. It's also the same reason someone says driving a green car is safer than driving a red car. It probably didn't occur to them that there are more red cars on the road than green cars so relatively speaking, green cars get into less accidents. It's an accurate statement but without all the facts, it can be misleading.
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Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:47 pm

...crash was not caused by CO DC10, notwithstanding AF's feeble effort to deflect blame.

Misassembly of landing gear caused (1) drag, and (2) catastrophic failure of left side gear.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:03 pm

Oh boy, this could get ugly.

OK, how about these non-american incidents:

-Air France A320 accident
-Air Inter A320 accident
-Singapore 744 accident
-JAL 747 accident
-Korean Air 747 accident
-Korean Air 007 accident
-Pan Am #103 747
-Canary Islands 747 accident (THE worst one)

Now then, Safety dude, what was your point again?

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RE: Why Is It The US Airliners?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:23 pm

For those who don't know, some background information about these particular crashes, and others...

We know about American 587.

We also know about the 9/11 hijackings.

TWA 800 crashed into the Atlantic off Long Island. All aboard killed.

In '92, a USAir F-28 overran the runway at LaGuardia, crashing into Flushing Bay after being improperly de-iced. 27 of 51 on board killed.

In 1990, an Avianca 707 crashed into a wooded suburban area on Long Island while on approach to JFK. Bad weather led the aircraft to be put into a holding pattern, after which, difficulty communicating between the flight crew and ATC caused a serious underestimate of the fuel exhaustion danger the aircraft was in. While circling, the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. [As a side note, one of the passengers was found to be carrying illegal drugs in his body]

In 1989, a USAir 737-400 overran the runway at LaGuardia, crashing into the East River. The aircraft's rudder trim had been improperly set at full left, causing the aircraft to lose control. 2 out of 63 aboard killed.

An Eastern 727-200 crashed on approach to JFK in 1975 after encountering severe windshear just before reaching the runway. Microburst was so severe, pilots flying the exact same approach under same conditions in the simulator afterwards could not find a way to save the aircraft. Intense fire after impact. 115 of 124 on board killed.

Eastern DC-7 crashed on approach to JFK after taking evasive action to avoid a PA 707 that ATC had placed on a converging track. All 84 aboard killed.

In 1962, an American 707 crashed on takeoff from JFK into Jamaica Bay after a rudder servo malfunction that caused the rudder to stick in a turn after the aircraft rotated. The 707 plunged into the shallow water of the bay (approx. inches-to-feet), and broke up. All 84 aboard killed.

A United DC-8 and TWA Constellation collided over Brooklyn after the United jet oversped and entered the traffic pattern at an incredibly high rate of speed. The crippled TWA aircraft struggled and crashed into a military airfield, while the United jet crashed into an urban area in Brooklyn. The only survivor of the crash, an 8 year old unaccompanied minor, died the next day. All 84 on the United jet were killed, as were all 44 on the TWA aircraft, plus 6 on the ground.

In 1959, an American Electra crashed into the East River on approach to LaGuardia after the crew misinterpreted an altimeter reading. 64 of the 73 aboard were killed.

In 1957, a Northeast DC-6 stalled and crashed after takeoff from LaGuardia. The aircraft crashed into Riker's Island, a state prison, and caught fire. 21 of 101 aboard were killed.

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