YXDFan
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A321 Thoughts?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:14 pm

Hey all!

I've decided to break my own rule and fly Air Canada on a trip to Halifax, Nova Scotia in February (cashing in some Aeroplan points).

At least one of the flights i'm booked on is operated by AC's new A321s. Just curious as to how the A321 is to ride on?
 
BlueShamu330s
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:40 pm

Nice ride in the A321.

Try to avoid the overwing seats and go for something forward of the engines; the landings can be a little firmer than on the 319/320 and you certainly feel it if you're sat over the bogeys.

Overall though, it's a great passenger-orientated airplane. Enjoy your trip and let us all know about it when you get back !  Big thumbs up

Shamu

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Flying-Tiger
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:27 pm

I´ve flown on Lufthansa A321 several times, I like the plane. It is very quiet and the over-head bins are large. As a pax you´ll like it! Enjoy your flight...

Regards
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VS744
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:50 pm

I flew a British Midland (BMI) 321 in may, and it was a really nice flight. The cabin is bright and spacious, and without trying to begin another argument over the size of the seats, they do actually have a little extra in their width.

The wingtips look cool if you are sat near a window at the back too!
 
AFC_Ajax00
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 12:49 am

I agre with all the above comments, very PAX friendly and nice cabin atmosphere
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2000first
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:21 am

I have also flown on bmi A321's on 2 occasions. I prefer them to the 757, and if you have flown on a 757, you will notice the brighter and more spacious cabin on the A321. I thought the takeoff was excellent too.......you can really feel the power (maybe just because my flight was full?) The take-off's are just as good as those on the 757. IMO the 757 and A321 have the best takeoff of any narrowbody!
 
travatl
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:06 am

I have seen several USAirways A321s in the last few weeks.

Is it just me, or does the vertical stabilizer simply look DRAMATICALLY TOO SMALL for this aircraft? Every time I see it, I say to myself..."that tail and rudder will never work". Granted, I'm not an aeronautical engineer, however, when parked next to the 757, it's cousin-by-looks-only, the airplanes look so similar until you get to the empenage, and then the A321 looks like a JV football player trying to play with the big boys.

Just my two cents.....

Travis
 
boeing764
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:21 am

Hi YXDfan on behalf of everyone at Air Canada we're looking forward to having you onboard. Will you be flying on a Dash from YMM to YEG? What sector is the A321 operating? I haven't heard yet when they will start using them into Edmonton.
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PHLflyer
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:34 am

I have flown several times on JM 321's and twice in US 321's. Exit row seats have at least 5-6 feet of legroom, they are great!! You actually have to get out of your seat to access the seat back in front of you.
 
YXDFan
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RE: Boeing764

Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:53 am

Actually, i'm anticipating a move to Calgary in the new year so i've booked the trip out of Calgary.

Its an all Airbus itinerary and the one sector that I know for sure is an A321 is AC141 YYZ-YYC.
 
cedarjet
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 11:02 am

VEEEERY nice aircraft. You'll love it.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
Guest

RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 11:03 am

Yea, I just thought about it! *As he looks at his username.... scratching his head* Thats all it deserves, a thought.

 
Guest

RE: A321 Thoughts?

Thu Nov 15, 2001 11:15 am

Why does everybody compare the 321 to the 757? The 321 is more closely related to the 737-900.
 
Guest

RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:17 am

Why does everybody compare the 321 to the 757?

The 321 more closely related to the 752 if you ask me.
 
mandala499
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:25 am

Last time I flew A321 with LH (2x), it was HORRIBLE! It felt old and shoddy... perhaps it was just LH A321s... my A320 trip years before was WAYYYYY better... so were my 757 trips... depends on what you look for in an airplane  Smile

Mandala499
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ScottB
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:31 am

The A321 is definitely more similar to the 737-900 than the 757-200; the A321 and 737-900 share:

* Similar ranges (the 757-200 has much longer range)
* Similar passenger capacities (the 757-200 is considerably larger)
* Commonality with a family of smaller narrowbody jets (the 757-200 shares commonality with the 757-300 and 767-200/300/400)
 
Jean Leloup
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:34 am

"I've decided to break my own rule and fly Air Canada on a trip to Halifax, Nova Scotia"

hehehe.. as if you had a choice, really?
Next flight.... who knows.
 
pa121
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:43 am

I guess the reason we all compare A321 and 757 is that there is an awful lot of them around but little 739s.
A321 is closer to the 739 in terms of range and passengers, but definitely a 757 in terms of cargo IMHO.
All 3 of them are really nice, how boring it would be without choice!
 
transswede
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:46 am

ScottB, I disagree...

- A321 and B752 actually have similar passenger capacities (2-class with 12 first class seats and identical pitches gives 187 vs 192, both 200+ in charter config) The B739 is limited to 189, no matter config.

- Cargo capacity on the A312 and B752 is similar, but much less on the B739.

Ignoring commonality issues, the only major difference between the A321 and B757-200 is range.

I consider the A321 to be much more of a B757-200 competitor.
 
donder10
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:51 am

What are the thrust ratings on the powerplants of the 752 and 321>
 
Guest

RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:10 am

*He looks at his username.... scratching his head* Thats all it deserves, a thought.

 Big thumbs up
 
ScottB
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:14 am

Bzzzzt, wrong. From Boeing's website:

757-200, mixed-class configuration:
201 passengers (12C[36"]/189Y[32"])
757-200, single-class configuration:
239 passengers
737-900, mixed-class configuration:
177 passengers (12C[36"]/165Y[32"])

757-200 cargo capacity: 43.3 cubic meters
737-900 cargo capacity: 51.9 cubic meters
(less cargo on the 757-200 means more fuel...)

757-200 length: 47.32 m
737-900 length: 42.1 m

757-200 engines: 36,600-43,500 lbs thrust
737-900 engines: 27,300 lbs thrust

757-200 MTOW: 116 T
737-900 MTOW: 78 T

From Airbus' website:
A321, mixed-class configuration:
185 passengers (16C[36"]/169Y[32"]) - you could argue 187 passengers by moving a row from business class to coach.
A321, single-class configuration:
199 passengers

A321 cargo capacity: 51.76 cubic meters

A321 length: 44.51 m

A321 engines: 30,000-33,000 lbs thrust

A321 MTOW: 83-93 T

In just about any comparison you care to choose, the A321 is more similar to the 737-900 than the 757-200. 187 is closer to 177 than 199. The A321 and 737-900 have nearly identical cargo capacities.
 
jmhLUV2fly
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:10 am

I found the A321 to be a really nice airplane. I flew on a Usairways A321 between CLT and BWI. The airplane has excellent takeoff performance and climbout, those engines just hum right along. I found the size of the A321 to be alot like the 757, I suppose the plane is Airbus' version of the 57'. Enjoy your flight aboard the A321.
JMH
 
jmhLUV2fly
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:29 am

I wasn't actually saying that the A321 was identical to the 757-200, but rather that I thought they looked similiar, just my opinion.
JMH
 
2000first
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:34 pm

ScottB.......the A321 max passenger config' is 220 passengers. In the UK, Airtours, Air 2000, and Monarch all fly their 321's in this configuration, so really the 752 only has 19 more seats in the tightest fit! and i can vouch that either of these a/c is not very comfortable in these configurations!

ps.....i love the 757 AND 321  Love
 
VS744
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:58 pm

Oscar2/ScottB

Just to settle this debate, I have the A321 marketing literature which is given to all the customers of Airbus Industrie. The A321 is extensively compared throughout, to the 757. This includes MTOW, Capacity, Range, Costs, turning circle Diameters etc etc.

So if Airbus didnt design the A321 to compete with the 757, then they must have printed their entire 321 MArketing literature incorrectly.

Granted the 737-900 wasnt around when they designed the aircraft, but the 757 was, and thats waht they designed the 321 to compete with. Therefore its ok to compare the two IMO.
 
CV990
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RE: A321 Thoughts?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:00 pm


Hi!

I flew 5 times in the A321, 4 times with Swissair the 100 model with CFM engines and 1 time with GB Airways, a series 200 with IAE engines, I think the 200 series looked quite smoth and the engines look really sharp in the A321, in Swissair we had a good ride too in all the ocasions, the small screen they use is very nice to see how the flight is going, and in Swissair they even showed a kind of small comedian show during the flight, that's a nice feature that the 757 don't have!
Enjoy and let us know your feelings latter.
regards
CV990, the Maserati of the skies!

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