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United Making A Comeback

Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:18 pm

We all know United's service has gotten much, much better since Goodwin's departure, and are on the way to pulling another Continental (from worst to first).

Not to make light of what happened yesterday, but do you think that with what happened to AA 587 may actually help United by way of American getting negative publicity?

Remember, United's last three crashes were 1991, 1989, 1978. That's three crashes in the last 23 years, far better than American's record (NYC, LIT, and Cai, Colombia all since 1995).

Remember, I am not making light or poking fun at the AA crash or AA in general, so no flame war please!!

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RE: United Making A Comeback

Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:23 pm

I think it may help them, but Delta definitely has an advantage right now over both of them as far as image goes. They have not had a crash since 1985.
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:24 pm

United's last crash that was the airline's fault was 1978. Remember, 232 wasn't their fault, it was GE's, and UA couldn't have detected the engine crack that cause the whole thing.
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:43 pm

We all know United's service has gotten much, much better since Goodwin's departure, and are on the way to pulling another Continental (from worst to first).

You are obviously hallucinating. Creighton's first actions were to INCREASE spending cuts across the board to reduce the CASM/RASM deficit. Yield are in the shitter and that is the only way it can be achieved in the short term. Elimination of jobs, meal service, etc.. are some of the ways to achieve this end. That does NOT imply that service has gotten better.

UAL is still heading towards a certain bankruptcy unless there are major changes made in the cost structure.
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:09 pm

Maybe what UGA777 is saying is that the service ATTITUDE has improved, i.e. employee morale. That was UA's main problem in the the past.
I'll fly them two weeks from now, so let's see.

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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 1:23 am

DELTA's last crash was in 1988: just a correction! Smile
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:01 am

well, as soon as all contracts are settled, morale will pick up and watch the service level shoot thru the roof....
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:11 am

Worst to first? UA has a long way to go before they get back to where they once were. Also the dates of the crashes don't have much to do with the general public choosing an airline. True some people may avoid AA in the short term but that doesn't mean they're all going to flock to UA. The only way UA will get better is to cut costs and become leaner and meaner. Only companies that are lean and mean will survive the current times.
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:12 am

Remeber also, in 1994, American had two crashes as well.
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 2:14 am

1999- Little Rock , don't forget that one!!!
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 3:28 am

In a strange twist of fate, it actually seems as if more people are electing to support AA now.

If you look at comments from some of UAL's most vocal frequent flyers at FlyerTalk, you'll see an alarming trend of them complaining about UA becoming less desirable; in fact, most of them are switching to AA.

The sentiments generated by this crash, coupled with the Bush administration's favoritism of AA and the airline's position as the world's largest airline, seem to have actually underscored the need to have American exist. As weird as it sounds, I think this is actually generating more support for American.

Sympathy for the world's largest carrier used to be unthinkable...

Only until official findings are released can we reasonable predict what will happen to AA's reputation. If it was in any way the cause of mechanical incompetence or sabotage, look for AA's insurance to skyrocket even more, its payout settlements for the damaged and victimized to multiply, and for the flying public to start questioning AA's integrity.

Only then will you see other airlines start to reap gains from AA's tragedy...
 
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 3:36 am

I'm a 100K flyer on United and I can't tell the difference in service or attitude before or after Goodwin. It has been consistently good and professional. But I will have little patience for union activists who resist new management efforts to reduce costs and increase shareholder value. If an airline can't make a profit, those union members won't have jobs or ability to pay their union dues. Witness Sabena...Bad Management + Bad Unions = Big Losses For All
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 3:53 am

Who says Bush has favoritism of AA?
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RE: United Making A Comeback

Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:09 am

I've done 20 or so segments on United since Sept. 11th and things seem ok... some of the flight attendants and ground staff are a bit perkier, but you still have a VERY militant ALPA that will refuse to give up part of their wage, let alone 1/2 of their raise that Creighton wants to give to the IAM.

As much as I love United, they are going to become another Eastern... shitty Unions take on BIG management ... no one works for UAL anymore, unfortunately. I know that when United shuts down, I'll be the rudest passenger to ANY EX UA employee for letting this happen... and for allowing their mafia union leadership to do this. I've heard first hand what goes on at IAM and ALPA meetings... it's a FAR cry from a democracy... try a dictatorship within each unions.

I agree with the experts: the airline is faultering BIG!

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