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Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:23 pm

Lufthansa will add three weekly frequencies from Munich to Hong Kong to a total of 6, beginning effective Dec 3rd. In March they will add 3 more flights to Shanghai. They are currently awaiting approval for additional flights.

Seems that the German flag-carrier wants to expand heavily in Munich. any other flights to be added from there? What about long-hauls to India? Did they get approval for additional frequencies?

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:32 pm

Are they adding flights from MUC to SIN or not.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:04 pm

Hong Kong goes daily.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:34 pm

These are old news. You only forgot the new MUC-JNB run 3 times a week effective September.
Hkgspotter1 is right, Hongkong goes daily effective December 2nd.
No additions planned on the Singapore run.
No additional traffic to India allowed as long as state carrier Air India doesn´t start a second destination and they even haven´t got one in Germany right now sending all pax on code-share flights!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:45 am

Lufthansa will discontinue Singapore Service in January. Shanghai will start in April 02.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:47 am

By the way, how are the FRA-Bangalore flights going for LH?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:05 am

Flumuc, where did you get the info about the SIN service being axed? Is it 'discontinued' or 'suspended'?

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:50 am

UMMM, when in january will it be axed??? I am booked on the flight SIN-MUC on January 19...
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:22 am

afaik, there hasn´t been an official announcement that LH is definitively suspending MUC-SIN. however, they made it public that MUC-SIN is currently under consideration to be dropped.
regarding the flights to India:
Lufthansa was allowed to add three weekly frequencies this year which it did when it added Bangalore. i believe under the current arrangement with Air India/indian authorities Lufthansa will be given 3-4 additional frequencies this year or 2003.
if these frequencies will be used for flights from MUC remains to be seen, but according to some LH statements flights from MUC to india are on the agenda.

rgds
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How About Kul?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:11 am

I know this is a bit off the topic, but is Lufthansa planning to reinstate their direct flights into Kuala Lumpur any time soon? Their Star Alliance partner, Lauda Air is doing pretty well on the Vienna-Kuala Lumpur-Sydney/Melbourne run. It's hard to get seats even in the low season! With Swissair suspending their flghts into Kuala Lumpur, there's only 2 European carriers operating into Kuala Lumpur, i.e. Lauda Air and KLM. So, I believe there's room for more. Any info, Lufthansa fans out there?

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:48 am

Some good news is that there is talk of daily Miami-Munich flights in April.
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:53 am

Any news about Lufthansa flying MUC-YUL?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:19 pm

Kuala Lumpur was axed because it didn´t make profit. Nothing is planned yet but time will show if there´s an increasing demand now that Swissair´s gone. I heard that on Lauda´s planes the seats are full just because of the plane going on to Australia!!

There are definitely no flights planned to Montreal. LH doesn´t serve Montreal at all. They stopped operating into Montreal back in the Mid-nineties because they couldn´t make profit even using the really small A310-300 on that run. And nowadays the business is done by Star Alliance partner Air Canada!

Right at the moment nonstop flights on LH from MUC to SIN are still bookable throughout all the relevant systems until June. So no confirmation on that yet.
But past experiences show that cutting off flights out of the system and rebooking of the passengers via FRA is a quick job. Time will tell!!

Rgds,
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SailorOrion

Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:28 am

Last flight Munich-Singapore is on the 14th January 2002. (source: Munich Airport timetable)
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:41 am

Well in response to you LH744, AC flies the A330-300 year-round in co-operation by LH on this route, and its tremendously succesful..

LH agents in Monteal were speaking of a 4 weekly yul-muc next summer, that would need AC's approval!..otherwise, AC might fly the route!!!!!

Mark
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:48 am

Actually, Air Canada operates A330 service YUL-FRA not MUC. There was a Toronto-Munich route operated by Air Canada, but that has been suspended in the wake of Sept 11.

It would be nice if either AC or LH were to reinstate direct service to Munich, as Munich is a great alternative to Frankfurt as a European Gateway. Of course, only time will tell.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:36 am

AC or LH will not be starting up YUL-MUC flights, especially considering YYZ-MUC is suspended (not discontinued). Assuming traffic builds up, I do think the resumption of MUC-LAX/EWR/YYZ/SFO flights will come in the summer, and MUC-MIA (assuming Austrian does not resume the flight), which was supposed to come pre-9/11 as a daily A340 during summer 2002.
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:52 am

Ok, I was well aware of the YUL-FRA and not YUL-MUC A330....At the montreal airport enthusiast chat, we have confirmation of a Montreal-Munich possibility...but this was two months for sept11th when none of these routes were cut, including YYZ-MUC!

Furthermore, a few users were saying how they read in german aviation jounrals about an AC/LH interest in starting Montreal-Munich flights given the substantial success of the YYZ-MUC flights....check the archives of this board, and you fill such a post!

But given the cuts, there are more important route to resume and add from MUC, no doubt!!

Cheers to all,
Mark
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 7:09 am

All cancelled longhaul flights ex MUC are only temporary suspended flights until the current situation improves again. This was recently confirmed by J. Weber (LH CEO) and R. Teckentrup (LH route managment).

LH wants to keep all their remaining systemwide l/h destinations. It makes more sence to concentrate on one hub than to split operations between FRA and MUC. In MUC they have cut now all former three weekly services (SFO, LAX, GRU, SIN). The alternative would have been axing three flights from the FRA operation (to SFO, LAX, GRU, SIN), leaving e.g. three flights ex MUC and four ex FRA. This would be absolutely nonsense.

Furthermore LH´s FRA hub system is depending on longhaul flights, while the MUC hub is still mainly based on european flights. Axing much more longh. runs ex FRA would extremly weaken the hub&spoke system there. In FRA over 60% of LH pax are transfer pax (additional with a high percentage on intercontinental flights) while LH´s MUC operation has got only about 40% connecting passengers (mainly within Europe).


WINTER TIMETABLE 01/02

additional flights:
MUC-HKG from trice weekly to daily in December
MUC-JNB new trice weekly service from December
MUC-PVG new trice weekly service postponed until April02

additional suspension:
MUC-SIN will be suspended January 15th until end of March (new summer timetable) so far. LH didn´t give an official statement about this, as they´ve already indicated the suspension few weeks ago.

already announced suspensions:
LAX, SFO, EWR and GRU (all LH), MIA(NG) and YYZ(AC, but will return in spring)


SUMMER TIMETABLE 2002

At this time, talking about the 2002 summer timetable is only spectulation, as it depends completely from increasing bookings and yields for the next summer.

The maximum(!) of longhaul ops in MUC next summer would be:
daily to EWR, ORD, SFO, LAX, HKG
new daily services to Tokyo NRT, BOS and MIA
3/week to GRU, SIN and new PVG
(2/week to TLV)
JNB is a winter-only service at the moment
alle flights with A343, exept SFO (B744)

In the above case, about 10 A343 would be based in MUC (compared with 5 last summer) plus one additional B744 (2 last summer), which will be operated on a combined FRA service (FRA-SFO-MUC-SFO-FRA).

But of course, there´s a good chance that we don´t see all of the above flights next summer. NRT and BOS as new destinations seem to be quite sure - but not confirmed (!), while both LAX and MIA don´t seem to be on the list at the moment. But that doesn´t mean to much at the moment, as the LH network is permanently unter review.

UA plans at least to put the 777 on IAD-MUC again next spring. AC will reinstate their YYZ-MUC route in April. AC also planned YUL-MUC for next summer - i doubt (but i don´t have new post-sep11-information at the moment) whether this service will be introduced in this situation. That would be a bit too optimistic - i would bet on summer 2003. I also didn´t notice even one single hint here about LH planning to fly MUC-YUL itself. If LH intends to fly this route, then they would introduce it from FRA first off all. But in my opinion this routes (YUL-FRA/MUC) will be AC´s job for the foreseeable future.


FUTURE DEVELOPEMENTS

Finally i want to say, LH invests about 500 million Euros in the new 25mio pax Star Alliance Terminal 2 at Munich Airport (providing 24 a/c stands at the terminal and add. 50 on the tarmac), which will be completed in early or mid 2003. There are also planned some further expansions (2-3 satellites, each for 24-32 additional a/c stands) bringing capacity theoretically to much more than 50mio pax - only for LH and Star Alliance. So, if LH wants to see a return of its massive investment - and they definitely want to - , LH has to stick to MUC and the planned expansion there. It was actually a very smart move of MUC-airport CEO W. Hermsen to participate LH in the current airport expansion.

Another point is the lack of runway-capacity at FRA. Although there are few slots now available due to the traffic turndown, the possible growth beyond 2003 is tending towards zero in terms of a/c movements until the planned 4th runway will be opened in 2006 or later.

Despite the current crisis, we´ll see an impressive longhaul network out of MUC within the next years to come, flown mainly by LH and its Star partners, beside a huge and high-frequent european network. AC comes back, RG will also return again sometime from 2003 on, UA and TG will expand, SQ, Air China CA and All Nippon NH will be newcomers in the future.


No doubt, there´s a chance of delaying or slowing down the planned expansion for a half year or a year, but it´ll come sooner or later ... definitely!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 7:43 am

Actually LH will increase service on MUC-HKG to six weekly (ex. Mo) A343 flights in December (so no daily service yet) as announced in the header.

 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:04 pm

Lufthansa is technically in Montreal..they sell half the seats on the daily AC A330-300 out to Frankfurt from YUL!!...

Mark
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 4:27 pm

LH did not base any 744s in MUC this summer. They were FRA based aircraft flying FRA-(LAX/SFO)-MUC-(LAX/SFO)-FRA.

I have stopped counting how many hardcopy schedules I have thrown away in the last two months  Nuts

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:04 pm

MAH4546

i would kindly ask you to provide any sources for your repeated statement that LH is interested in going daily on MUC-MIA and using its own A340s?
i agree with your opinion which you repeatedly stated on so many other topics that the current market between MIA and Germany seems to be underserved, and that the daily FRA-MIA seems to little.
i would love to see LH add flights on this route, or NG keeping up this operation, but i think we can assume that we won´t see any OS-aircraft scheduled on this route (as substitution, yes).
except for official statements by LH regarding flights from MUC to India, Japan and BOS there has been zero word about the MIA services (except for the currently withdrawal). so perhaps you´re aware of some facts we don´t know of?????? please enlight us!!!


D-AIFB
although i agree that it seems the current suspensions of LH´s north american services from MUC most probably resume next summer, i´m wondering why LH would only schedule the 744 on the SFO run, not also on LAX. is there a piece of information i obviously missed?

some LH officials have stated that LH is interested in BOS ("it would fit our future plans") and in Japanese destinations, however, i personally don´t believe we´ll see any new interconts from MUC next year, except for the re-instatements.
regarding future flights to Japan, and from MUC in particular, there is a small piece i came across last week, and it´s taken from the english edition of the Handelsblatt: "The paper added Lufthansa is planning to cut capacity in Japan, where it said only about 50% of capacity is utilised."

so for the time being, i´d be surprised if LH would increase its services.
i know that an increase in frequencies for NGO (going daily) was/is on the cards, but things seem a little wary now.

does anyone if LH will print an additional hardcopy edition of its current timetable???
the current ones rely on data from the 9th of Sept, needless to say it´s not up-to-date...

rgds
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Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:20 pm

Guten Tag D-AIFB,

Gibt es irgendeine Weise Dich privat to kontaktieren bitte?

Viele Grüsse,
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:15 pm

Johnny, look at D-AFIB's post. He states the strong possibilities, and I think it will happen. Miami has 9 flights a week to Germany right now (daily MIA-FRA, Friday MIA-DUS, Saturday FLL-FRA), which is pretty pathetic considering the Germans flock to Miami in groves and when you look at some other countries (28 flights a week to UK, 21 to each France and Spain). LH has flown the MIA-MUC route in the past, and did codeshare with Lauda/Austrian on the MIA-MUC route that they recently suspended. If OS does not resume the route, I would be surprised if LH didn't. Trans-Atlantic traffic at MIA, is, luckily, not declining as much as other airports. Lufthansa 744s are still leaving MIA at near capacity everyday. Also, did LH officially state plans for MUC-BOS/NRT? If so, were?
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 18, 2001 12:19 am

I don't know about new flights out of MUC, but If I were LH, I would use that airport as much as I could...It's awesome! (I was really bummed that I got routed through frankfurt over Christmas instead..  Sad )
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:14 am

MAH,
it seems that i didn´t make it clear enough that i don´t disagree with the fact that the MIA-Germany market seems a little underserved, but with the fact that to my knowledge, there hasn´t been any official word on additional MIA services from LH.
btw, there´s a reason why LH wanted Lauda to operate this route: it´s primarily a leisure route, and thus, imho, i would assume that LH would mainly be focused on business routes. i do agree that MIA may be one of the front-runners, but there are other destinations which will come first.

yes, Lufthansa stated that it is interested in flights from MUC to BOS and to Japan in the near future.
such statements were frequently made in interviews in the time when LH began its major expansion at MUC. it is correct, however, that no such statements were made in the near past or since Sept 11th (i certainly don´t have to point out why).
many others from this topic may also give credibility to the fact that LH voiced its intentions to grow its MUC hub, including destinations such as in Japan, India and BOS.
without wanting to sound arrogant, i´d like to point that i´ve got access to Lufthansa company papers since, believe it or not, my father works at LH.

rgds
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 18, 2001 5:44 am

Johnny, I'm sorry if I made it seem that way, but I know you see the MIA-Germany market as underserved. I will disagree with you on the leisure thing, though. Is MIA-MUC leisure? Yes. But leisure does not always mean it can't make money. Miami attracts a lot of premium European tourists, which makes the upper classes easier to fill than say, Orlando. British Airways sends 4-class 744s twice a day, and it's almost impossible to find premium cabins going out empty, even recently, on Swissair flights. Air France also fills up first and business with ease. I don't know, however, what the situation is with Lufthansa and the premium market between Miami and Germany, although LaudaAir's 767s and 777s (they also used Austrian A340s sometimes) usually did fly into Miami with a pretty full business cabin.
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 18, 2001 7:52 pm

Sure! Everytime I've flown Lauda on MUC-MIA route it was always full. BIZ and ECO sold out!
At Munich they always searched passengers that fly via ORD or IAH for cash!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Wed Nov 21, 2001 6:18 am

This is what justplanes reports today:

Lufthansa is considering a serious expansion of its Munich Hub for the coming summer season. The plan calls for the airline to base 10 Airbus A340-300s in Munich. Highlights of the long haul routes from Munich for the 2002 summer season to :

Boston = New daily service.
Johannesburg = Service would be suspended for the summer.
Los Angeles = Resumption of daily service.
Miami = New daily service.
Newark = Resumption of daily service.
San Francisco = Resumption of daily service.
Sao Paulo = Resumption of 3 flights a week service.
Singapore = Resumption of 3 flights a week service.
Tokyo = New daily service.

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Thu Nov 22, 2001 6:54 am

i would love to see this happen!!!!!
i´m just curious regarding the NRT and BOS services, if that´s also swapping the 2nd daily from FRA to MUC.
i would hope that LH keeps its two dailies from FRA to both BOS and NRT.

ok, LH doesn´t fly two times daily to NRT but afaik the intend to. at least they got some additional landing rights at NRT and in Japan in generel (NGO supposed to go daily).
still, i´m a little puzzled since LH claims its Japan traffic has massively declined.

rgds
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 25, 2001 2:53 am

If you compare the justplanes.com infos with my informations in the post above, you´ll see, that´s almost the same. Justplanes didn´t mention the new MUC-PVG service, which will now probably start March the 15th.

I´ve my informations (about the new LH summer timetable 2002 in MUC) from different (!) very reliable sources, but concerning this topic, not from official LH statements, as LH hasn´t made offical statements about this so far, except the pre-sept-11th announes.


Los Angeles LAX and the 744
Yes, it looks like LH putting the 343 on MUC-LAX next summer, leaving only SFO served with 744 from MUC. Perhaps, they or UA have plans to increase capacity from/to FRA next summer?


Miami MIA
As said before, i´ve heard from different sources about LH intending to start MUC-MIA flights itself. It seems LH and OS/NG aren´t sure about who should fly MUC-MIA next year. NG is the perfect airline and has got the perfect planes (B763/B777) to fly this particular route, which is rather a leisure than a heavy business route doubtless. As MUC is developing to a busy european hub with more and more intercontinental routes (despite the current suspensions), the more premium-pax-related Lufthansa could easily succeed in serving this route itself and not on a codeshare-basis with NG. Furthermore NG could have problems with the VIE-MUC-sector, which has rather low load factors, as most pax on the VIE-MUC-MIA route flew ex/to MUC. Being flown with B763, this sector is very expensive to operate, i guess.

It´s also possible, that finally none of them will fly the route next season. In this case, in my opinion, we´ll see LH restarting MUC-MIA daily service in winter 02/03 or summer 03 at the latest.

I think, we can agree altogether in the fact, the Germany - Florida market is underserved right now, after the withdrawel of Lauda Air. So LH starting a second daily from Germany ex Munich would make a lot of sense, since many other strong US markets have multiple LH flights a day (SFO, LAX, ORD, NYC, IAD (not currently)). If SFO and LAX can fill daily 744s from MUC, then MIA should be able to fill a smaller 343.


Boston BOS
I don´t know whether a daily MUC-BOS would be a swapped FRA service, leaving only one daily ex FRA, or a additional (3rd) daily from Germany. In the current situation i could hardly imagine, LH introducing a third daily to BOS, even in summer. For sure, under normal circumstances MUC-BOS would have been a additional third daily flight.


Tokyo-Narita NRT
At the moment LH has got slots and gov.approval for 10 weekly flights to NRT. LH will recieve four additional slots for NRT next May (opening of the second runway at Narita). LH intends to shift the excisting (and currently suspended) three weekly LH714 from FRA to MUC and add the four additional flights, then providing daily MUC-NRT service. Then FRA would be "down" to one daily LH flight plus the daily NH flight (beside the also daily JL).

For flights to NGO (currently cut from five to three weekly flights) LH will recieve approval and two additional slots to provide a daily service (from FRA).

After suspending five (3 NRT, 2 NGO) of 22 weekly LH flights from FRA to Japan recently, which is an est. 20% cut, an increase in flights to Japan is rather uncertain. But slots in NRT are very rare, so LH could be forced to exercise the additional granted slots !?


Finally i want to repeat: Nothing is confirmed officially at this moment and a lot could happen until March 02. But the rumours are a good impression of LH´s intentions in MUC.

On Monday (Nov 26th), there´s the so called "topping-out ceremony" - don´t know whether this is the right word in English (in german: Richtfest) - for the new Terminal 2 at Munich Airport. LH CEO J. Weber and MUC Airport CEO W. Hermsen will be there, of course. This could be a nice opportunity to make some announcement about the future developements of Lufthansa and Munich Airport.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 25, 2001 7:28 am

I do not know if it was mentioned in the above posts, but the JNB will actually be operating six flights per week from December 15th of this year. The three additional flights will last until April.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 25, 2001 8:07 pm

very interesting news D-AIFB, thanks a lot.

i was also thinking about the LAX thing.
afaik, except for LH there is no airline serving FRA-LAX? is this correct? i believe in the past it was served by either DL or AA but not anymore.
so the 2nd daily being swapped to MUC i would imagine that UA would enter the LAX-FRA in the not too distant future.
some time ago, there were already some rumours re UA considering a LAX-FRA service. in current times this seems unlikely and some voices repeatedly suggest UA wants to scale down its UA hub, however, i´m convinced that a UA LAX-FRA service will come some time down the road.

rgds
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RE: Lufthansa Makes Further Adjustments In Winter

Sun Nov 25, 2001 8:14 pm

LH makes further adjustments in its current winter timetable:

Japan / Singapore
As already mentioned before, LH suspended 5 weekly flights from FRA to Japan during this winter season as demand has been fallen sharply. NRT ist down from 10 to 7 weekly now, NGO lost 2 out of 5 weekly services, leaving three weekly flights to FRA. On Jan 15th LH will also suspend trice weekly MUC - SIN (also old news), but it´s expected to resume again after only two and a half months end of March 2002 (at least at the moment).


Now the real news:

Johannesburg JNB
Already well known is the introduction of JNB ex MUC trice weekly next weekend, Dec 1st. Pre-bookings for this route seem to do very well as LH will serve this new route 6 times a week from Dec 15th until end of winter season (March 28th 2002), Billy mentioned this in the post above. Flight will then operate daily except Wednesday with A343. SA codeshares on it.


Shanghai-Pudong PVG / Hongkong HKG
Beginning of new LH MUC to PVG service will be pushed back from Jan 16th until March 15th. But the new service will operate five times a week instead of three times a week. Flight will operate daily except Monday and Thursday with A343 until March 28th and i assume, they will continue five weekly flights in summer, because why should LH start with five weekly flights, going down to trice weekly after only two weeks - doesn´t make to much sense at all.

MUC-HKG will receive six weekly flights, daily except Monday, next week (again old news, i´m sorry).


New York-Newark EWR
LH will reinstate daily A343 flights MUC - EWR on March 1st 2002. The flight was expected to return with beginning of the new summer timetable 2002 (March 29th), but was now obviously pushed forward one month.


All informations taken from CRS amadeus.net.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 25, 2001 8:31 pm

It is impressive to hear how LH wants to expand in the next months, especially from MUC. SR´s problems might have contributed a bit but obviously most - if not all - new flights were already planned before SR went bust.

Can anyone confirm that Lufthansa brings 2 B747-200 back into service in early December? I don´t want to know how big MUC gets when LH decides to order the A330-200...

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Sun Nov 25, 2001 8:45 pm

oh yes, how big MUC gets!!!

in a very extensive topic this April we were already discussing MUC´s future growth and in it i quoted official LH statements (from Spring 2001) indicating that wants to grow its fleet of A340s based in MUC by 19 additional units until 2005.

according to D-AIFB, approx. 10 A340s could be based in MUC next summer if LH will resume its growth plans prior to Sep 11th, well, if demand picks up.
so that´s 9 additional untis until 2005, so three units a year.

but please let me emphasize once again that in the current aviation environment all these plans are certainly reconsidered and we´ll have to wait and see.

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RE: Lufthansa Adds Flights From MUC

Mon Nov 26, 2001 1:23 am

Today I've read in the "Frankfurter Allegmeine" at Munich Airport (before my flight to Duesseldorf) that Lufthansa is investing $750 Millions DM in the new airport terminal at Munich! Wow!

(OT: LTU is getting 1 slot in NRT, too!)