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Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 1:42 pm


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For the record the two Ex BA 747-200's that came to Hong Kong for cargo conversion, G-BDXP and G-BDXM are still here.

G-BDXP arrived in February and is still parked all white at HAECO as TF-ATZ and G-BDXM arrived in June and is now all white with no reg or engines.

Have Air Atlanta changed their minds about getting these tow aircraft ??. Another BA 742 was due in about two months ago but at the last moment the flight was cancelled and we never heard about it again.

One question I have is who is paying for these two 747's to sit in Hong Kong ??

If any of you can give some answers then please do.

Thanks
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:37 pm

Not only have Air Atlanta not changed their minds about the two aircraft at HKG but they are actually buying additional ex BA aircraft - one of my colleagues has been busy over the last few months writing their manuals. The reason that no work has progressed on the ones at HKG is that with the downturn in the cargo market, it's cheaper for them to park the aircraft 'as is' rather than park them after spending millions on the conversion.

Rather logical, really!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:09 pm

For your info Hong Kong is a very bad place to store aircraft, its right next to the ocean, its very humid and bloody expensive. It would make far more sense to move these un wanted aircraft to the US for storage.

It may be `rather logical' for you but the rest of us are not aviation experts that have operated their own aircraft and plan to have a fleet of 767' !!!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:37 pm

that seems like such a shame to see all those 742's parked up....when they should be in the sky!

p.s. there are two at MAN as well apparently - opposite T2 in the corner.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 6:50 pm

If you had a `few' millon spare it would be a ver good time to buy some of these, store them in a cheap place and then whe the market gets better sell them !!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:16 am

Does any one know what the reg of G-BDXM will be ??
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:20 am

G-BDXA B.747-236B 21238 ex N1790B wfu Marana (Snapdragon Ltd)
G-BDXB B.747-236B 21239 ex N8280V wfu Kemble Union Flag c/s, temp.dba Dreamflight
G-BDXC B.747-236B 21240 wfu Manchester
G-BDXD B.747-236B 21241 ex N8285V wfu Roswell,NM Blue Poole c/s
G-BDXE B.747-236B 21350 wfu Cardiff
G-BDXF B.747-236B 21351 wfu Cardiff
G-BDXG B.747-236B 21536 wfu Cardiff Blomsterang c/s
G-BDXH B.747-236B 21635 wfu Cardiff Dreamflight c/s
G-BDXI B.747-236B 21830 wfu Cardiff
G-BDXJ B.747-236B 21831 ex N1792B wfu Cardiff
G-BDXK B.747-236B 22303 wfu Gatwick Chelsea Rose c/s
G-BDXL B.747-236B 22304 ntu, to 9M-MHI
G-BDXL B.747-236B 22305 ex N8280V wfu Cardiff G-BDXM ntu
G-BDXM B.747-236B(S) 23711 ex N6055X wfu Hong Kong (Bulfinch Ltd)
G-BDXN B.747-236B(S) 23735 ex N6046P wfu
G-BDXN B.747-236B 22442 ntu, to 9M-MHJ
G-BDXO B.747-236B 23799 ex N6055X wfu Cardiff Paithani c/s
G-BDXP B.747-236B(S) 24088 ex N6009F wfu Hong Kong (Snapdragon Ltd) reg cancelled to Iceland 7/01 (Air Atlanta Icelandic ?)
G-BJXN B.747-230B 20527 ex N611BN to N78019
G-BLVE B.747-2B4B(S) 21097 ex N202AE to N202AE
G-BLVF B.747-2B4B(S) 21098 ex N203AE to N203AE
G-BMGS B.747-283B 20121 ex LN-AEO to G-VOYG
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:25 am

Of course to some people it is logical to buy 40 clapped out old Tristars and fly them from some Scottish airport in the middle of nowhere...
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:33 am

 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:27 pm

No loss here. Those things were very unreliable and always had mechanical problems. Ask the folks from Seattle. They will tell you.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:35 pm

it's kinda sad to see all those beautiful planes being stored.....  Sad

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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 7:16 pm

Hkgspotter1 - indeed so; and that's why you're an aircraft spotter and I've run airlines. Still, logic is logic - and you'll be interested to know that they are paying zip for the parking (because the aircraft are in the care of Haeco and Haeco doesn't want to lose the work when CC finally press the 'go' button) and you'll have noticed that the aircraft have - as is shown in the list provided by ILS been deregisterd. This means that they cannot now be ferried without first having a CofA - which is slightly difficult to get when the aircraft is in bits. Big grin Big grin Big grin

As for using old aircraft - let me put it this way. If you were running an airline, would you prefer to have new aircraft that cost you gazillions whether or not you fly them; or old ones that are fully amortised? With the price of fuel sinking like a stone, the operational cost benefits outweigh the disadvantages as well.

FYI, the only reason BA and Virgin parked their Classics was because the lessors refused to take back the expensive new kit - and fleet cuts had to be made. The cheapest aircraft to park were those which had been fully amortised.

Once again, all rather logical really!  Insane Big grin  Insane

Oh, and Coyoteguy - get your facts straight. Although we'd have acquired the entire Delta L1011 package of some 30 aircraft, only 7 would have been returned to service immediately. And what's wrong with Prestwick? It's been Scotland's transatlantic gateway for decades longer than Glasgow - and has a substantially longer runway.

Incidentally, G-BJXN (certainly) plus I think G-BLVE, G-BLVF and G-BMGS - were all acquired by BA when they bought BCal.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 7:26 pm

Only JXN was ex-BCal. MGS (Must Go Sick) was the British Airtours heap. LVE/F I dunno but weren't BCal (or Gatwick based).
The list above also contains two a/c that BA never even saw, the two cargo a/c that went directly to MAS.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:48 pm

Celidih,

You are a very funny person, you still think you will own a fleet of 767's dont you. Look at the joke you made of yourself with the L1011's !!

As for the Ex BA's at HAECO, I would imagine the local spotters know more about them then you. For the record they are not in bits.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:15 pm

Hkgspotter1 - You mentioned 767s, not me.  Insane

Actually, through one of my colleagues that's doing some work for CC - as previously mentioned - I can confirm that they are indeed in bits. Might not seem like it to a reggie spotter like you, but you definitely can't just start up those aircraft and go! Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 10:40 am

Can you believe Ceilidh: "That is why you are a spotter and I have run airlines"... what cloud does this guy live in?

As for Prestwick, I believe, using my very small amount of aviation knowledge, that the reason it was Scotland's transatlantic gateway for decades is because the government decreed that it would be; not because anyone actually wanted to fly from there. What is wrong with Prestwick? Like I said, it is in the middle of nowhere. Quite logical, actually!

As I am just a spotter and you have run airlines (ROTFLMAO), I'm sure I'm wrong... but I'll believe what you say the day I see even seven L1011s in Caledonian Wings liveries operating from the middle of nowhere. Until then, you are just so much hot air as far as I am concerned.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:18 pm

Coyoteguy,

You would think he's made an idiot of himself enough already, but no !!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:56 pm

Coyoteguy - "very small amount" of aviation knowledge is about right. Sure, PIK was the mandated gateway; but it's also the only non-military airport in Scotland with a runway long enough to allow widebodies to operate at MTOW - permitting non stop services to the West Coast of North America. It's also the primary weather diversion airport for much of Western Europe - when the rest of Europe is fogged in, you can guarantee PIK will be open.

As for your claim it's in the middle of nowhere - actually, it's situated in Ayrshire, in the centre of the southwest of Scotland. Glasgow is a 40 minute rail ride away - and one heck of a lot easier and faster to get to from the centre of town than say MIA is from downtown Miami; I've done both many times. PIK is also readily accessible from Edinburgh.

Yes, I've run a number of airlines, with aircraft ranging in size from the Let 410 up to B707/DC8/CL44.

You certainly won't see any aircraft in Caledonian Wings livery - that was just a project name - but I'm pretty confident that you may well be eating your words shortly. And we all know how accurate journalists are when it comes to aviation matters! Big grin Big grin Big grin

 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 10:57 pm

It's also the primary weather diversion airport for much of Western Europe

What planet are you on? So if weather clogs up VIE, all the little Tyrolean Cl65s ignore other Austrian and German airports and make a beeline for PIK?

Or do you mean the long-haul flights? If so, I reckon MAN has just as good a shout as PIK as the "home" of diverted aircraft with 8th Feb 92 being a classic example when 19 747s, 2 DC10s, 1 A310, 1 707 and 1 Tu154 came in from the London aiports (all the 747s being on the ground at the same time). I noted a total of 30 widebodied aircraft during the 90 minutes I was at MAN.

David/MAN
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:11 pm

Sure, PIK has the best weather record of any Western European airport, but I doubt its the main diversion airport for most of Western Europe.
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Mon Nov 19, 2001 12:12 am

I do of course mean long haul flights - and PIK is a heck of a lot cheaper than MAN!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Mon Nov 19, 2001 12:51 am

What amazes me about these forums is how many contributors who've never worked in the industry seem to think they know better than the airlines themselves, and the people who have or do work in the industry. The future for the industry must surely be bright, because there's so many people here who know how to run things there'll be no shortage of wisdom at the top of airlines globally in the coming years  Big grin

In actual fact, if you've been "inside", it really doesn't take too long to figure out who's at least making a modicum of sense and who's obviously just shooting from the hip.

Its all too easy in the airline game to get a "bad" name (or to be perceived so) just because one or two plans don't fall into place - if the contributors here knew of every potential deal the was in the offing in the industry, a fair proportion of which don't come off, there'd be a huge number of well know industry names (respected and not so respected) who'd be being regarded with ridicule on this forum.

Have a nice day!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Mon Nov 19, 2001 9:42 pm

Sorry Ceilidh, I'm not familiar with your illustrious career to date, but since you have run a number of airlines, pray tell us what happened to them all?

So, Caledonian Wings was just a project name? Not according to your website, which is still trumpeting the commencement of operations early next year, using three L1011s. First rule of commerce nowadays; an accurate and up to date website.

Sure, I'll eat my words when I see it. I might even try eating one of your tristars!

Have a great day - let me know what airline you run today.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:42 pm


Oh dear, the 'spotting' fraternity are taking on Ceilidh!

Watch out boys, professional people have tried and failed on another website.

Love him or loath him, Ceilidh (aka The Guvnor) does know his stuff. stick to taking numbers unless you are 101% sure of your facts or have the skin of a rhino.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:50 am

Not taking him on, as actually I don't give a **** about him or his inflated opinions... And I find his "I'm a big airline CEO and know everything" attitude to be quite laughable. Check his website. You will see what I mean!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:21 am

Actually, Coyoteguy - I most certainly do not have an "I'm
a big airline CEO and know everything" attitude as you claim. Indeed, quite the opposite. Given too that the companies that I have run have generally been fairly small in terms of fleet size, I'd be the first to admit that running a large operation fills me with trepidation - but I'll give it a try anyway!  Big thumbs up

Whilst a see that you're claiming not to be 'taking me on' I do note that your comments throughout this thread - along with those of Hgkspotter1 do seem to be rather aggressive and/or ridiculing at the very least.

Still, as both Skymonster and Delboy accurately point out, it's easy to separate the reggie spotters from the industry insiders on here!  Big grin
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:29 am

I wonder if "reggie spotter" Sir Michael Bishop is lurking on these forums!

David/MAN.

ps Yes, I'm a "reggie spotter" who has been to MAN precisely 3 times in the last 3 years.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:53 am

Yes, Ceilidh, you are spot on. I am ridiculing you! Finally we agree on something! And any true "industry insider" should have better things to do than engage in these conversations. Like wondering how he can afford to lose $15 million a day. Maybe you are "between jobs"? You still didn't answer my questions about which airlines you ran, what happened to them, and your outdated website. Not that you are obliged to do so, but since you apparently care about being taken seriously, I might be more inclined to take you seriously if you do...

 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:09 am

Ok...If your on about the aircraft in Cardiff (EGFF) are in bits you are absolutely wrong! Hence the name, im a local spotter to Cardiff and i can tell you 100% that they are flyable! Just days ago they were parked up outside the BA Maintanence hangar but they are all fully functional and have been moved manually to the otherside of the airport, there are also reports that they could be flying off elsewhere soon (possibly MAN)
Hope this can help....
EGFF
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:28 am

EGFF - I'm talking about the ones at HKG destined for Air Atlanta. Not sure where you think anyone's talking about CWL in this context!

Coyoteguy - some of us aren't losing US$15m per day! If you as a journalist are doing that - how on earth did you manage to get yourself into that position? Big grin  Insane Big grin

I started to write a detailed response to your question about what I've done but then I thought (a) what business is it of yours; and (b) haven't I got better things to do at 22.22Z to which the answer is a resounding 'yes'.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:34 am

Ok Ceilidh, no need for the sarcasm!  Pissed
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:45 am

can you tell me the name of this web site that ceilidh has set up forn his airline and also pik is not in the middle of no where because it has around 2 million people whithin 20 to 30 minutes of it( thats taking in grater glasgow and the rest of the clyde vally) ryan air operate an success full services to paris, frankfurt, brussels and london and i know it is not the main airports from pik. but would it not be better for ceilidh to opporate from glasgow airport. hope it happens though good luck ceilidh
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:55 am

EGFF - no sarcasm intended in my comment to you.

Bmi330 - GLA's runway is too short to allow MTOW operations and as you know it can't be extended because of its position. PIK allows MTOW ops for widebodies; and is also much, much cheaper to operate from than GLA! The website they are talking about is http://www.celticairways.com though that's well out of date now - even before 11/9 we had already decided to put things on hold until early 2003. With the preference of most Americans to stay at home now, I suspect that it will be several years before we can relook at the proposed scheduled operations again.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:04 am

thanks for the address ceilidh and i am just wondering where you will fly to and also if you have finacial backing for the airline
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:07 am

Mustn't forget that Ryanair's atlas alters placenames: Paris = Beauvais, Frankfurt = Hahn, Brussels = Charleroi and London = Stagnated

Not quite the same as the "big city name". Wonder what would happen if they were told to amend the route pairings to Ayr-Beauvais, Ayr-Hahn, Ayr-Charleroi and Ayr-Stagnated instead.

As for PIK, I bow to Ceilidh's knowledge about the fees, but I shall go to bed tonight knowing that MAN has almost 3 times the annual cargo throughput of PIK and over 10 times the passenger numbers. I will try to imagine what the figures would be like if we were as cheap as PIK.

David/MAN: 248 and counting
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:13 am

yeah i get the point david_it but transport links are v good between glasgow and ayr and dose man not have around 15times as many passingers cause man only have 1 million passingers last year. but is the uks fastest growing airport cause of ryanair thanks for the point though
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:19 am

David_itl - ah, but PIK is the fastest growing airport in the UK in terms of both pax and cargo!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Having had the interesting experience of costing operations through MAN for very much smaller aircraft than the L1011 and having combined airport and handling fes come to nearly 35% of the overall costs per hour (with discounts) and nearly 55%!!! (without discounts) I would suspect that things would be a lot better if the FR rather than BA approach to charges was used. To be fair, though, a lot of that's down to the handling companies - ripoff!!!  Pissed

Prestwick is officially known as Glasgow Prestwick International Airport Ltd - check out their website at http://www.gpia.co.uk/
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:24 am

Forgot to add that PIK will be doing over 2m pax this year - not bad considering the only sked operator is FR!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Train takes 40 mins to GLA; and if you're flying to/from PIK you get a 50% discount from anywhere in Scotland on Scotrail. Fly on a new route, and for the first six months it's free from anywhere in Scotland.

PIK also has the first private railway station in Scotland.

If you prefer to take the bus, it's 50p to the centre of Glasgow - meaning that you could well have travelled STN-PIK-GLA for £1 (plus taxes)!

What's the cheapest fare from London to Manchester Piccadilly via Ringway? Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 9:06 am

Wow, is there any facet of the industry in which Ceilidh has not been involved?

So now Caledonian Wings or Celtic Airways or whatever it may be called is on hold until 2003... guess my Tristar eating is still a way off.

No, I am not losing $15 million a day as a journalist... nor did I state I was.... I was referring to a number of major airlines, which as you are well aware are currently dealing with those kind of figures. Quite logical, actually!

You started to write a detailed response to my question about what you've done but then you thought (a) what business is it of mine; and (b) haven't you got better things to do at 22.22Z to which the answer is a resounding 'yes'.

Like I said, you are under no obligation to reply, however as an industry captain, who evidently enjoys sharing his knowledge with amateurs like the rest of us (heavy sarcasm intended), one would think that you would wish to provide the information, in order to be taken seriously. And I would agree that you have better things to do at 22.22Z, I mean there must be a game show on TV or something. Apparently however, you do not have anything better to do, since I see you continued posting on the topic until 23.24Z...!!!!!

I'm not going to get into a discussion of the merits of PIK over GLA or the reverse, since I admit the benefits of various Scottish airports are not one of my areas of expertise, however I am prepared to assume that the major airlines choose Glasgow over Prestwick for a reason. Wasn't there a Scottish Airline a number of years ago that tried to fly from PIK to North American destinations? Whatever happened to them? Was it one of Ceilidh's former operations?

 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 9:31 am

Is Caledonian Airways a real carrier or one of those virtual airlines ??. You know those virtual airlines guys can be very serious.

Has anyone made a Caledonian Wings L1011 yet for FS2002 ??
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 6:51 pm



Ceilidh

Are we talking about this year's figures? Not extrapolated them from the CAA data...more concerned with "my" region and working out why Air Mauritius are withdrawing their services when they are now 3 times more successful than the first 2 or 3 years of their operation!

There will be things done on the airport charges front...perhaps they might even get them to stick as the last time they tried to be innovative, a certain orange-liveried airline complained about predatory pricing and they threatened to take MAN to court! All I know for definate about our charges is that they've come down 30% in 9 years, and by a bigger amount than the CAA had called for.

I'm glad to say the BA is becoming almost a bit-part player at MAN: in 1990, they had 31% of the international scheduled market, now it's done to 20%. One wonders what might have happened if they did not try to look after BA so well. As long as BA don't employ 747s from July 23 to August 7 next year on a certain route, I'll be happy  Wink/being sarcastic

David/MAN: 247 and counting
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:07 pm

[b]David_itl[/b] - yes, these are the current year's figures.

As for MK, I am given to understand that the costs of operating to MAN had been a major problem for them when coupled with the available yields. Most of their traffic was tourists rather than the high yield full fare Y or premium pax they get out of other airports.

I take it you've seen the CAA report that says that airports shouldn't have to take into account their income from other areas of operation? Personally, I think it's disgraceful - my own concept of a well run airport operation would be like one or two of the US ones where the retail side of things serves to subsidise airline charges - which then bring in more punters for the retail ops. Ideally, that mega-mall down your way which features on morning TV every now and then should have been sited at Ringway!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Thu Nov 22, 2001 9:51 pm

Celidih,

"This means that they cannot now be ferried without first having a CofA - which is slightly difficult to get when the aircraft is in bits"

Well that is strange as TF-ATZ flew for about two hours today !!!, They must have got those bits together in a hurry  Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin !!


Delboy,

I guess your a OFAH fan ??
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Thu Nov 22, 2001 11:12 pm

Coolidh probably pulled some strings for them, since he knows everybody everywhere!
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Thu Nov 22, 2001 11:58 pm

I thought I saw a sticker on the side that said "Operated by Caledonian Wings" actually. Amazing.
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 23, 2001 9:54 am

Or was that Dream boy Express ??
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:35 am

ROTFLMAO...

What a great name for an airline Hkgspotter1, in fact if you don't mind, I will use it for the airline I am starting. I just appointed myself CEO. We will be buying Aeroflot's entire fleet of grounded IL62's which we will be refurbishing and flying transatlantic. We will be based in Sanford, Florida, which as everybody knows is so much better than Orlando International, since it is in the middle of nowhere so to speak. I'll post my website as soon as it is ready. Have to run, my secretary has Boris and Yuri on the line from Moscow. Guess we have to discuss multi million rouble deals...
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:14 pm

Coyoteguy,

Strange how that 747 flew in bits dont you think Big grin Big grin

Ceilidh must be talking to his buddy at Air Atlanta to ask them why they never told him it could fly. I mean a flying 747, what ever next !!

 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:32 pm

Hmmm, do you think that Haeco (whose business is taking aircraft to pieces and putting them together again) might have had something to do with it? Or was it just sheer coincidence that they were parked at their facility?

Nah, out two most brilliant minds (Coyoteguy and Hkgspotter1) obviously don't think so ... so it's got to be impossible! Big grin  Insane Big grin
 
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RE: Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 4:31 pm

I see you have avoided the question and just tried to put the focus on something else.

Your so good at that.

P.S. How many full time staff do you have ?, What size office do you have.. oh sorry what laptop do you have ???